1 00:00:03,169 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:03,179 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,259 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:09,850 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:13,450 --> 00:00:09,860 Rendlesham forest incident doesn't it 6 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:13,460 it comes right over our heads it's so 7 00:00:18,260 --> 00:00:16,619 classic flying-saucer really standing in 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:18,270 the clearing he turned over to my father 9 00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:19,770 and held his hand and he looked in his 10 00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:25,830 eyes and said we're not alone welcome to 11 00:00:31,099 --> 00:00:29,160 podcast UFO for our live show we're live 12 00:00:33,590 --> 00:00:31,109 every Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern 13 00:00:34,310 --> 00:00:33,600 Standard Time on the Dark Matter radio 14 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:34,320 network 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:36,000 please remember to visit the website 16 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00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:34,530 finally yeah it was it got down to 30 59 00:02:39,620 --> 00:02:36,300 degrees in the middle of the night 60 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:39,630 that's like unheard of right I know it 61 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:42,930 happens every year for a couple days and 62 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:46,020 you know we have a couple days of freeze 63 00:02:51,980 --> 00:02:48,930 that's in the middle of the night but it 64 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:51,990 was still much warmer than Colorado 65 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:54,390 which she's where I was during you know 66 00:02:59,300 --> 00:02:56,610 the Christmas vacation so even in the 67 00:03:03,560 --> 00:02:59,310 middle of the night out here but it did 68 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:03,570 snow so yeah my girlfriend's daughter 69 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:06,720 ran outside and was making freaky noises 70 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:08,400 and running around and I got a little 71 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:10,530 bit of video I think I posted a picture 72 00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:13,500 on and somewhere but um yeah in the 73 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:14,880 middle of the night there was a little 74 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:17,640 bit of snow I mean it it didn't stay on 75 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:19,290 the ground at all just immediately 76 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:21,690 melted and it was mixed with rain but 77 00:03:26,630 --> 00:03:24,480 there's a little bit of snow about a 78 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:26,640 week ago in the middle of the night 79 00:03:34,610 --> 00:03:28,980 doesn't Phoenix like close down when it 80 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:34,620 snows basically no oh you're bad no it's 81 00:03:41,450 --> 00:03:39,270 just if it were to really snow but that 82 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:41,460 was just for maybe an hour in the middle 83 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:43,230 of the night a few flakes that didn't 84 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:46,740 even you know stick to the ground but 85 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:48,930 you know the surrounding areas like 86 00:03:53,060 --> 00:03:50,790 there to our mountains around where the 87 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:53,070 snow stays and then of course there are 88 00:03:57,650 --> 00:03:56,580 further north actually just a maybe our 89 00:03:59,630 --> 00:03:57,660 two away 90 00:04:03,470 --> 00:03:59,640 you've got standing snow you know yeah 91 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:03,480 Flagstaff you have xolo where you know 92 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:05,910 Travis Walton lives and his whole 93 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:08,010 experience went down I mean that's just 94 00:04:14,090 --> 00:04:09,930 like Colorado or something it's the high 95 00:04:18,260 --> 00:04:14,100 country and higher country and you know 96 00:04:20,539 --> 00:04:18,270 it has actual full-on snowy winters yeah 97 00:04:22,190 --> 00:04:20,549 I know some of the highest snow banks 98 00:04:25,940 --> 00:04:22,200 I've ever seen were in the Flagstaff 99 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:25,950 area really I went up through there into 100 00:04:31,210 --> 00:04:27,440 February a number of years ago 101 00:04:33,430 --> 00:04:31,220 and yeah deep deep snow so it happens 102 00:04:36,490 --> 00:04:33,440 but anyway it's only gonna be 12 degrees 103 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:36,500 - here tonight so we're we're we're 104 00:04:40,860 --> 00:04:37,970 doing okay in the state of Maine what's 105 00:04:43,510 --> 00:04:40,870 going on in the skies this last week 106 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:43,520 well and I was gonna say the skies here 107 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:45,770 are sunny and we're already in the 70s 108 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:48,110 so I didn't even have to wear a jacket 109 00:04:56,580 --> 00:04:50,000 this morning when I got out of it really 110 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:02,590 you hose in fact now that you know the 111 00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:05,060 year is gone and it's been a little 112 00:05:08,260 --> 00:05:05,660 while 113 00:05:10,510 --> 00:05:08,270 MUFON sent out their numbers and I took 114 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:10,520 all their numbers as I usually do for 115 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:13,370 the year and crunch them and I wrote a 116 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:15,790 story about the top UFO hot spots for 117 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:19,280 2014 so what I did is I took the states 118 00:05:24,970 --> 00:05:22,670 the countries I totaled up all of the 119 00:05:26,650 --> 00:05:24,980 sightings I put them in an excel you 120 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:26,660 know from my corporate background I know 121 00:05:32,470 --> 00:05:29,450 how to make pivot tables and graphs and 122 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:32,480 all this fancy analytical stuff to see 123 00:05:37,210 --> 00:05:33,890 what's going down out there 124 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:37,220 so I listed the top states that have 125 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:41,570 reported UFOs however those lists very 126 00:05:45,909 --> 00:05:44,150 much like the top states with the 127 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:45,919 highest population so you have 128 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:47,870 California Texas Florida and New York 129 00:05:53,170 --> 00:05:50,360 all of those at the top so what I also 130 00:05:56,340 --> 00:05:53,180 do every year is put that versus 131 00:06:00,250 --> 00:05:56,350 population so in other words I think 132 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:00,260 reports per hundred thousand person so 133 00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:02,810 that you really you know how many places 134 00:06:08,860 --> 00:06:05,630 are having more UFO reports per person 135 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:08,870 and usually those came out Pirtle pretty 136 00:06:15,550 --> 00:06:12,520 normal you usually have Arizona Colorado 137 00:06:18,159 --> 00:06:15,560 Nevada towards the top as you do this 138 00:06:19,450 --> 00:06:18,169 year the Southwest is always up there I 139 00:06:23,170 --> 00:06:19,460 think maybe because there's more clear 140 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:23,180 skies there's also more you know you Air 141 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:26,150 Force bases and stuff like that could be 142 00:06:32,909 --> 00:06:29,360 that sort of thing but who went to the 143 00:06:35,620 --> 00:06:32,919 top when I did per population or again 144 00:06:38,830 --> 00:06:35,630 surprisingly really I know you're gonna 145 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:38,840 say the great state of Maine no I bet 146 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:40,770 you that's near the Tonto mane 147 00:06:44,659 --> 00:06:43,050 if empty nine it is yeah it's number 148 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:44,669 nine so it is towards the top so you 149 00:06:50,330 --> 00:06:46,530 guys are doing pretty good at there as 150 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:50,340 far as UFOs go but or again you know and 151 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:52,319 we've gotten a lot of people from Oregon 152 00:06:56,270 --> 00:06:54,810 email us over the years and say oh we 153 00:06:58,129 --> 00:06:56,280 see them all the time it's not even a 154 00:06:59,659 --> 00:06:58,139 big deal out here so we've heard 155 00:07:02,930 --> 00:06:59,669 anecdotally that there are a lot of 156 00:07:05,260 --> 00:07:02,940 sightings interestingly enough when I 157 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:05,270 look at our archives for UFO stories 158 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:08,130 daren't many in fact they should I don't 159 00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:10,289 think the media wrote about UFOs wants 160 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:12,000 in Oregon that I'm aware of 161 00:07:17,059 --> 00:07:14,190 I don't think we've talked about Oregon 162 00:07:20,089 --> 00:07:17,069 as far as UFO story so it's surprising 163 00:07:21,980 --> 00:07:20,099 that it should reach the top like that 164 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:21,990 otherwise number two is New Hampshire a 165 00:07:26,990 --> 00:07:24,690 little higher than usual then we have 166 00:07:30,290 --> 00:07:27,000 New Mexico Nevada Arizona Alaska 167 00:07:32,749 --> 00:07:30,300 Colorado Missouri Maine and in West 168 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:32,759 Virginia so those were the top ten but 169 00:07:37,820 --> 00:07:35,370 if you want to see your state you can go 170 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:37,830 to this story and I listed every state 171 00:07:43,969 --> 00:07:41,370 in order I also listed the countries you 172 00:07:46,339 --> 00:07:43,979 know this is data based off of MUFON 173 00:07:48,589 --> 00:07:46,349 reports move on to mostly in the United 174 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:48,599 States they do have chapters in other 175 00:07:53,629 --> 00:07:50,940 countries and work closely with our 176 00:07:55,790 --> 00:07:53,639 neighbors mostly they got reports from 177 00:07:57,649 --> 00:07:55,800 english-speaking countries of course you 178 00:07:59,209 --> 00:07:57,659 probably have a lot of UK listeners we 179 00:08:02,480 --> 00:07:59,219 do and we're talking about MUFON a lot 180 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:02,490 so Canada and then the UK reported a few 181 00:08:07,159 --> 00:08:05,340 hundred also India is pretty far up 182 00:08:09,260 --> 00:08:07,169 there interesting that they report and 183 00:08:14,180 --> 00:08:09,270 move on and Australia so lots of English 184 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:14,190 speakers and so then I also looked at 185 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:15,530 shapes 186 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:18,960 suvir's circle starlight on the top and 187 00:08:24,529 --> 00:08:21,840 then it comes to triangle disc shape is 188 00:08:28,370 --> 00:08:24,539 like number seven or something and it's 189 00:08:31,610 --> 00:08:28,380 in between other and unknown so disc 190 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:31,620 shape is not the most popular triangles 191 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:33,240 are more popular and of course this year 192 00:08:40,659 --> 00:08:35,880 we've talked about several really cool 193 00:08:43,699 --> 00:08:40,669 triangular shaped light or picture UFOs 194 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:43,709 cases and videos so yeah I think the 195 00:08:48,890 --> 00:08:47,010 disc the flying saucer is you know it's 196 00:08:51,890 --> 00:08:48,900 going out of style it's it's becoming 197 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:51,900 vintage they're upgrading to a delta 198 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:53,730 shape or an 199 00:08:58,189 --> 00:08:56,910 orb and you know what we get a lot of 200 00:09:01,040 --> 00:08:58,199 and I don't think I don't know that 201 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:01,050 people realize this it seems like and 202 00:09:05,810 --> 00:09:03,120 I've heard anecdotally personally in my 203 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:05,820 life this the most and have seen this 204 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:08,310 the most what most people see is a 205 00:09:13,189 --> 00:09:10,800 star-like object kind of like a 206 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:13,199 satellite but that just does very 207 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:15,360 strange maneuvers Bob's around and then 208 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:17,930 darts off you know that seems to be 209 00:09:24,410 --> 00:09:20,820 mm-hmm very popular type of sighting 210 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:24,420 right right so hey that's uh that's 211 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:26,160 great that you put all this effort into 212 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:29,010 this list and break it down like that 213 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:30,990 it's very much appreciated actually 214 00:09:38,509 --> 00:09:34,560 thank you and that list will be linked 215 00:09:41,090 --> 00:09:38,519 in our show notes mm-hmm yes siree so 216 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:41,100 what else is happening another big story 217 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:44,510 that's really hitting the news right now 218 00:09:50,810 --> 00:09:47,730 Jason got on really early is this 219 00:09:54,019 --> 00:09:50,820 gentleman who uploaded to YouTube a 220 00:09:57,439 --> 00:09:54,029 video of what looks like a fireball or 221 00:09:59,600 --> 00:09:57,449 some sort of space junk coming into the 222 00:10:01,689 --> 00:09:59,610 atmosphere and breaking up but then 223 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:01,699 there's this little orb that kind of yes 224 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:05,850 departs from it and cruises up and it's 225 00:10:12,620 --> 00:10:09,810 a very strange video right it's like 42 226 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:12,630 minutes of blanked out space too right 227 00:10:16,970 --> 00:10:15,120 it's actually more like 2 minutes of 228 00:10:19,970 --> 00:10:16,980 blank out state base it's about a three 229 00:10:22,129 --> 00:10:19,980 minute video 30 seconds or 43 to be 230 00:10:24,350 --> 00:10:22,139 precise seconds are this sighting and 231 00:10:27,319 --> 00:10:24,360 then it goes black and the rest of the 232 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:27,329 to couple minutes is black which is kind 233 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:29,880 of weird I'm not sure why that's the 234 00:10:33,769 --> 00:10:32,399 case the guy who posted it is named Ken 235 00:10:36,050 --> 00:10:33,779 Roberts or that's the name of his 236 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:36,060 YouTube accounts when I looked at it it 237 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:38,490 didn't have very many hits when I just 238 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:40,410 looked at it earlier just like within 239 00:10:44,090 --> 00:10:43,410 the hour it's got over a million hits oh 240 00:10:46,340 --> 00:10:44,100 my god 241 00:10:47,809 --> 00:10:46,350 you know I sent that to Mark Dantonio 242 00:10:49,699 --> 00:10:47,819 you probably did too 243 00:10:51,470 --> 00:10:49,709 I haven't heard back from Mark yet on it 244 00:10:53,629 --> 00:10:51,480 just to get his opinion of that because 245 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:53,639 that is that is incredible and that's 246 00:10:57,530 --> 00:10:55,740 that's going to be anyone listening can 247 00:10:59,720 --> 00:10:57,540 check that out through the Lincoln in 248 00:11:02,120 --> 00:10:59,730 our show notes as well yeah a lot of 249 00:11:03,949 --> 00:11:02,130 people feel that it's fake this guy has 250 00:11:06,380 --> 00:11:03,959 not been in contact with anybody the 251 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:06,390 only person he was seemingly in contact 252 00:11:10,190 --> 00:11:07,440 with which someone who 253 00:11:13,610 --> 00:11:10,200 to buy the video and ask to repost it 254 00:11:14,930 --> 00:11:13,620 must have paid the guy otherwise he 255 00:11:18,170 --> 00:11:14,940 hasn't talked to many people in these 256 00:11:20,300 --> 00:11:18,180 disabled comments so that's kind of 257 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:20,310 suspicious that he's not giving people 258 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:22,410 more information and a lot of the people 259 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:24,660 the D antonio's of the world are saying 260 00:11:29,050 --> 00:11:27,000 they think it's even too CGI interesting 261 00:11:31,370 --> 00:11:29,060 enough so we'll probably hear back from 262 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:31,380 here some more from people as time goes 263 00:11:34,730 --> 00:11:33,510 on but yeah really interesting sighting 264 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:34,740 that's making a lot of news right now 265 00:11:41,270 --> 00:11:38,190 yeah and if that is CGI it's a pretty 266 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:41,280 darn good job I have to say and it makes 267 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:43,680 it tougher and tougher doesn't it it 268 00:11:48,530 --> 00:11:45,900 does I mean it makes it yeah as we've 269 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:48,540 talked about it is harder and harder and 270 00:11:52,730 --> 00:11:50,910 one person got frustrated and posted why 271 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:52,740 is it incumbent upon the person who 272 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:55,890 takes the video to substantiate its 273 00:12:01,340 --> 00:11:58,530 reality and it's like well who else 274 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:01,350 whose job would it be then and some 275 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:02,940 people don't care I took this video and 276 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:06,690 you make what of it what you want and I 277 00:12:09,980 --> 00:12:08,370 can understand that because you know 278 00:12:11,270 --> 00:12:09,990 just because you take a video doesn't 279 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:11,280 mean you're any good sort of video 280 00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:14,730 expert but there are so many hoaxes out 281 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:17,040 there that are so convincing it's just 282 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:21,680 really really hard right absolutely and 283 00:12:26,750 --> 00:12:25,110 we have hot spots is that the or is that 284 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:26,760 the one you already talked about that 285 00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:29,220 was the first one I talked about okay 286 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:31,230 the last story I was going to talk about 287 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:33,210 and we've kind of talked about it again 288 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:35,160 but this is an end of phase and I think 289 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:39,350 we ought to mention it but this is 290 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:42,120 Steven Bassett of the paradigm research 291 00:12:47,390 --> 00:12:44,450 you know he's done his citizens hearing 292 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:47,400 part two phase two thing going on and 293 00:12:57,050 --> 00:12:51,480 now he has added a petition to the We 294 00:12:59,960 --> 00:12:57,060 the People white house thing there again 295 00:13:03,500 --> 00:12:59,970 this is the seventh time he's done this 296 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:03,510 and I think he was inspired because one 297 00:13:08,030 --> 00:13:05,850 time he was successful the first time he 298 00:13:11,450 --> 00:13:08,040 did it okay act then you only needed 299 00:13:13,130 --> 00:13:11,460 5,000 signatures they keep raising it 300 00:13:15,710 --> 00:13:13,140 now you need a hundred thousand 301 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:15,720 signatures of any attention the most he 302 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:19,200 ever got was 12,000 so certainly a long 303 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:21,270 shot but yeah he's done 304 00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:24,090 several times the first time he actually 305 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:28,260 prompted a response from the science you 306 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:31,080 know at like a science guy in charge of 307 00:13:35,390 --> 00:13:32,370 science at the White House would forget 308 00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:35,400 his full title and they said that there 309 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:38,880 is no proof or of extraterrestrial life 310 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:41,910 so essentially he is now the wording he 311 00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:44,970 is using is he's asking the Obama 312 00:13:50,690 --> 00:13:48,000 administration to support congressional 313 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:50,700 hearings for government agency political 314 00:13:55,610 --> 00:13:54,030 witnesses to extraterrestrial related 315 00:14:00,320 --> 00:13:55,620 events and evidence 316 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:00,330 aha well maybe you know I look at it 317 00:14:05,330 --> 00:14:01,770 this way you know 318 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:05,340 yes he's this is seven times but he's 319 00:14:11,330 --> 00:14:08,880 trying to do something you know I give 320 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:11,340 him an A for effort that's for sure yeah 321 00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:13,890 I mean he's out there he's doing what he 322 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:18,750 does you know it its attention it gets 323 00:14:25,010 --> 00:14:21,330 new stories I'm sure I haven't seen any 324 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:25,020 on this but there probably will be I 325 00:14:29,090 --> 00:14:27,150 think it would be it would be nice to 326 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:29,100 see them kind of evolve like I think it 327 00:14:33,890 --> 00:14:31,770 would be good to give them a reason 328 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:33,900 because it's like okay well why and 329 00:14:38,390 --> 00:14:36,810 there really is no y in here but I think 330 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:38,400 it would be good to emphasize why this 331 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:41,730 would be important but that would be 332 00:14:47,690 --> 00:14:45,750 helpful for people but you know it I 333 00:14:49,070 --> 00:14:47,700 guess you know like you said he's out 334 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:49,080 there and he's doing this thing and 335 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:52,560 bringing some awareness and so we'll see 336 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:54,330 what happens hopefully you know it'd be 337 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:56,610 great if it brought some people out of 338 00:14:59,870 --> 00:14:57,360 the woodwork 339 00:15:02,240 --> 00:14:59,880 that were some witnesses to some 340 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:02,250 incredible stuff some credible witnesses 341 00:15:06,830 --> 00:15:04,460 that could share some of their stories 342 00:15:10,070 --> 00:15:06,840 absolutely well that's it for the news 343 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:10,080 of today right that is it for the news 344 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:12,990 today well you stay warm out there don't 345 00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:15,870 you know don't I will don't don't get 346 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:18,780 too chilly in your in your light jacket 347 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:19,830 in your spring jacket 348 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:22,410 oh no I it was too warm for my jacket 349 00:15:29,570 --> 00:15:24,830 today so I left it at home 350 00:15:31,370 --> 00:15:29,580 but yeah so all right you're the one who 351 00:15:34,010 --> 00:15:31,380 need to stay warm buddy I know I know 352 00:15:35,180 --> 00:15:34,020 hey man I'll talk to you next week all 353 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:35,190 right talk to you next week 354 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:38,280 have a good one adios all right we have 355 00:15:43,010 --> 00:15:40,350 a longtime listener and fan of the show 356 00:15:45,710 --> 00:15:43,020 sent us some music that he creates and 357 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:45,720 his name's Bruce Renier thank you Bruce 358 00:15:50,390 --> 00:15:47,130 and after this clip 359 00:16:01,260 --> 00:15:50,400 stay tuned for dr. arty Clark coming 360 00:16:01,270 --> 00:17:08,699 you 361 00:17:17,710 --> 00:17:12,909 dr. Rd Clark welcome to the show thank 362 00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,720 you yes and for the person that is not 363 00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:19,520 familiar with your work we're going to 364 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:22,270 be talking about your book on 365 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:25,490 Mesoamerica and the name of the book is 366 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:33,370 uncountable America I'm excited to talk 367 00:17:37,659 --> 00:17:34,850 about that but can you give our 368 00:17:39,370 --> 00:17:37,669 listening audience basically your 369 00:17:41,289 --> 00:17:39,380 background because you have quite an 370 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:41,299 educational background and an 371 00:17:50,620 --> 00:17:47,450 interesting one as well well I have a 372 00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:50,630 degree in English and a degree in 373 00:17:59,080 --> 00:17:56,720 history I have a psychology degree and 374 00:18:04,090 --> 00:17:59,090 I'm a licensed therapist and counselor 375 00:18:07,090 --> 00:18:04,100 and I have a doctorate in and school 376 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:07,100 leadership and I've been a high school 377 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:09,770 English teacher a counselor a school 378 00:18:15,310 --> 00:18:11,710 administrator a university administrator 379 00:18:21,220 --> 00:18:15,320 and professor of educational leadership 380 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:21,230 and my thirty years at MSU Montana State 381 00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:23,210 University I was also the director of 382 00:18:31,330 --> 00:18:25,840 the Center for bilingual multicultural 383 00:18:34,169 --> 00:18:31,340 education that served approximately 25 384 00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:34,179 different Native American tribal groups 385 00:18:40,299 --> 00:18:37,160 throughout the Northwest region and you 386 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:40,309 were really about into Arizona uh-huh so 387 00:18:45,460 --> 00:18:43,370 you've been really immersed in in native 388 00:18:49,299 --> 00:18:45,470 of the Native American culture as well 389 00:18:51,330 --> 00:18:49,309 over the years oh yes which that's my 390 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:51,340 background too you know I mean that's I 391 00:19:01,539 --> 00:18:55,250 come from that heritage so obviously I 392 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:01,549 have a tremendous interest in indigenous 393 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:05,890 people you know as a whole and 394 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:09,370 and that's what my first book focused on 395 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:13,929 was Native Americans and in the United 396 00:19:20,780 --> 00:19:17,080 you know in the 48 states plus Alaska 397 00:19:24,780 --> 00:19:20,790 and then this book focuses upon 398 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:24,790 indigenous people in Belize Honduras 399 00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:29,290 Guatemala in Mexico right right and and 400 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:32,020 we'll be talking more about your first 401 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:33,730 book in the in the second hour of the 402 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:38,890 show now what sparked your interests and 403 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:42,190 to me it seems to me that there's been a 404 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:46,660 lot of a lot of history passed down in 405 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:49,690 the Native American culture of sky 406 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:52,210 people is that did you somehow hear this 407 00:19:57,060 --> 00:19:54,850 in the beginning somewhere in your 408 00:19:59,250 --> 00:19:57,070 travels and is that what sparked your 409 00:20:03,600 --> 00:19:59,260 interest or how did you get going on 410 00:20:08,159 --> 00:20:03,610 this subject you know I've heard the 411 00:20:10,409 --> 00:20:08,169 stories of the star people but you know 412 00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:10,419 as all little girls you go to college 413 00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:13,870 and you know you you put those stories 414 00:20:20,669 --> 00:20:16,960 aside and and you begin your career and 415 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:20,679 and when I came to Montana State as an 416 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:23,650 assistant professor like some over 30 417 00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:28,240 years ago now one of my jobs as a 418 00:20:34,370 --> 00:20:30,940 director of the Center for bilingual 419 00:20:38,130 --> 00:20:34,380 education was to go out and to recruit 420 00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:38,140 Native American students to come to the 421 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:43,679 University and to study teaching and 422 00:20:48,750 --> 00:20:47,290 educational leadership because when I 423 00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:48,760 came first 424 00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:53,820 moved to Montana there were very few 425 00:20:58,110 --> 00:20:56,559 Native American teachers teaching on the 426 00:21:06,390 --> 00:20:58,120 reservation 427 00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,400 and our goal was to get a group of 428 00:21:10,409 --> 00:21:09,039 teachers that would return native 429 00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:10,419 teachers who had returned to the 430 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,409 reservation and teach and you know set 431 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:16,960 examples and be role models for students 432 00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:23,260 and my first trip out for recruitment 433 00:21:33,019 --> 00:21:29,200 I stopped in this one village and this 434 00:21:36,539 --> 00:21:33,029 person had agreed to serve as the 435 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:36,549 organizer to bring all the students 436 00:21:40,769 --> 00:21:38,169 together from his reservation that were 437 00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:40,779 interested in teaching degrees I was 438 00:21:46,529 --> 00:21:44,860 offering scholarships as well so I had 439 00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,539 written grants and got money from the 440 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:48,159 federal government through this 441 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:51,490 underserved population and I could offer 442 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:55,600 them scholarships and so after we 443 00:21:59,850 --> 00:21:58,450 finished after I finished interviewing 444 00:22:02,850 --> 00:21:59,860 the students and giving them 445 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:02,860 applications and everything he asked me 446 00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,500 if I wanted to go out to dinner so we 447 00:22:09,810 --> 00:22:07,600 drove to a neighboring town and we had 448 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:09,820 dinner and on the way back he said you 449 00:22:14,370 --> 00:22:11,320 know if you got a few minutes I'd like 450 00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:14,380 to show you something and I said sure 451 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:18,070 and so he took me up in up in the 452 00:22:24,049 --> 00:22:21,070 mountains on this narrow dirt road and 453 00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:24,059 he said now if we're lucky they'll come 454 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:28,000 hmm and so he reached over and got a 455 00:22:32,370 --> 00:22:30,730 pair of binoculars and we went out we 456 00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:32,380 sat on this Boulder overlooking his 457 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:34,029 village and he began to tell me about 458 00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:37,929 how the ancestors of Sir people often 459 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:41,980 come over his village and I was just 460 00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:44,500 astounded because I had grown up hearing 461 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,140 stories of star people but I had no idea 462 00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:49,840 about other tribal groups 463 00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:53,470 had similar choice and so I began 464 00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,200 exploring that idea looking for legends 465 00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:01,360 and talking to elders about ancient 466 00:23:08,850 --> 00:23:05,740 legends and what I did is in the process 467 00:23:13,790 --> 00:23:08,860 I began collecting stories of 468 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:13,800 contemporary encounters and I was just 469 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:16,090 fascinated at the stories that I was 470 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:19,690 collecting and I really was doing that 471 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:24,930 as just a personal hobby I even though I 472 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:30,520 kept notes in ours I take most of the 473 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:36,130 stories and after I retired from MSU I 474 00:23:46,380 --> 00:23:42,910 was offered a year after I retired or 475 00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,390 two years after to be an evaluator of a 476 00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:48,880 federal grant that had been 5 million 477 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:50,500 dollars that have been funded on an 478 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:53,410 Indian Reservation so I went to DC and I 479 00:23:58,500 --> 00:23:55,300 got trained by the officials back there 480 00:24:00,840 --> 00:23:58,510 to do the evaluation and incidentally 481 00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:00,850 that wasn't my cost not not the 482 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:04,480 taxpayers or the project I paid for it 483 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:09,010 myself and I went back there and got the 484 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:12,250 training and then the next week after I 485 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:14,610 got back I went to the reservation and 486 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:19,060 at noon that first day I was there I was 487 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:22,510 invited to participate in a luncheon 488 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:26,250 with several other native tribal leaders 489 00:24:33,450 --> 00:24:30,730 female tribal leaders we're seeing her 490 00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:33,460 talking and something came up about a 491 00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,030 UFO 492 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:37,120 that was seen on the reservation or I'm 493 00:24:42,090 --> 00:24:39,250 not quite sure what what brought it up 494 00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:42,100 but anyway I began telling them a couple 495 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:43,990 of the stories that I had collected over 496 00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:46,930 the years and this one lady looked at me 497 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:49,480 and she said what are you going to do 498 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:52,570 with those stories and I said well I 499 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:55,810 really don't have any plans and she said 500 00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:57,310 well what's gonna happen to the map you 501 00:25:04,980 --> 00:25:01,200 pass and I said well probably be just 502 00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:04,990 thrown away and she said you know you 503 00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:07,630 have a responsibility to write a book 504 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:09,580 about this because she said this is our 505 00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:12,970 oral history and it should be preserved 506 00:25:20,580 --> 00:25:18,580 and I was really in a dilemma because on 507 00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:20,590 the way back home I knew I couldn't do 508 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:22,630 both 509 00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:25,450 I had just retired you know the only bit 510 00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:31,360 of retirement for a year I couldn't do 511 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:33,720 it have I commit myself to a five-year 512 00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:37,090 evaluation and write a book and I 513 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:38,860 thought well what is the most important 514 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:41,230 well there are a lot of evaluators out 515 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:44,770 there but there was no one that had the 516 00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:49,140 story that I had and so the next day I 517 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:52,390 notified them that I really appreciated 518 00:26:07,770 --> 00:25:57,610 the offer but I would I wanted them to 519 00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:07,780 get another evaluator Wow well and so 520 00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:11,080 when you finished this book which again 521 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:12,400 we're going to talk about in the second 522 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:14,370 hour 523 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:19,450 what now actually the reason I were 524 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:21,640 speaking tonight is because of someone 525 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:25,570 read that particular book and and loved 526 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,630 it and suggested that I contact you this 527 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:31,120 is a longtime UFO researcher he's he's 528 00:26:38,790 --> 00:26:34,030 been at it for oh in the 60s I think 529 00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:38,800 early 60s loved your first book and and 530 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:42,790 really enjoyed it so you ended up a read 531 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:43,570 briefly 532 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:47,910 were in the Mesoamerican area 533 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:50,620 geographical area you travel twenty some 534 00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:01,660 at MSU was shortly before I retired one 535 00:27:12,790 --> 00:27:05,360 of the things that that I had always had 536 00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:12,800 in my mind when I was a teenager in high 537 00:27:18,490 --> 00:27:15,260 school a teacher handed me a book 538 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,500 entitled incidence of travel in Central 539 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:21,760 America the chiapas in the Yucatan and 540 00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:28,270 it was by a man named John Stephens and 541 00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:32,270 Stephen Catherwood was the artist the 542 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:34,580 illustrator for this book and Stephens 543 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:37,310 Catherwood was an architect by trade and 544 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:39,410 had traveled throughout the Middle East 545 00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,230 recording all the ancient architectural 546 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:47,600 structures and in the Middle East and so 547 00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:50,330 when Stephens had heard about these 548 00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,180 ancient cities that were hidden in the 549 00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:56,720 jungle in Central America and Mexico and 550 00:28:01,480 --> 00:27:59,390 he made a decision that he was going to 551 00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:01,490 go down there and find out if the 552 00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:03,740 stories were true and he invited gather 553 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:07,430 wood to go along with him to draw these 554 00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:11,630 cities and when I read the book I just 555 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:14,600 absolutely fell in love with this the 556 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:16,970 story of this it just was mesmerizing 557 00:28:22,330 --> 00:28:18,890 and I went back to my teacher and I said 558 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:22,340 when I grow up I'm going to follow in 559 00:28:27,010 --> 00:28:24,380 their footsteps I'm going to go to all 560 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:27,020 those places where she said well you 561 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:28,730 know you might want to read their second 562 00:28:34,540 --> 00:28:31,400 book and it was incidents of travel in 563 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:34,550 the Yucatan and it chronicled their 564 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:39,260 second trips and it was only in Mexico 565 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:41,630 that they traveled when they they went 566 00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,850 the second time the first time they they 567 00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:46,640 landed in Belize City which was at that 568 00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:48,200 time British Honduras 569 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:50,780 now today Belize City is in the country 570 00:28:57,850 --> 00:28:54,110 of Belize and there is a separate 571 00:29:01,500 --> 00:28:57,860 Honduras and Guatemala and Mexico so 572 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:01,510 they made that trip and I've followed 573 00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:05,570 their trip but if our stories are had a 574 00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,480 particular interest 575 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:10,240 just like they did I veer off of my plan 576 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:12,360 and and took off in another direction 577 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:15,370 which as you know often leads you to 578 00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:17,110 some of the most revealing stories in 579 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:23,260 law and so I decided that I was going to 580 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,240 fulfill that Teenage Dream and so I set 581 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:30,640 off to do that and started out and 582 00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:33,040 believed I followed in their footsteps 583 00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:35,920 or at least I should say what I did was 584 00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:38,980 I I went to every single site that they 585 00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:41,920 had visited if it still existed and they 586 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:44,230 visited something like 40 587 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:48,730 I think 44 or 45 sites and others did 89 588 00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:52,450 so you can see that my my travel was 589 00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:54,790 much more expensive but on the other 590 00:30:02,250 --> 00:29:59,650 hand you know I traveled for seven years 591 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:02,260 to that part of the country frequently 592 00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:03,970 you know staying anywhere from two weeks 593 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:08,440 to a month at a time to to investigate 594 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:12,690 often embedding myself you know and in 595 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:15,490 villages and staying so that people felt 596 00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,890 comfortable with me and I played with 597 00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:20,320 their children and I ate meals with him 598 00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:22,750 and I attended ceremonies and went to 599 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:25,060 funerals and and went to wedding 600 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:27,370 celebrations and all sorts of things so 601 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:29,470 that people felt comfortable with who I 602 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:34,900 was and and the stories began to emerge 603 00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:38,140 and I can't begin to tell you how 604 00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:43,480 important it was for me to have the 605 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:45,580 drivers and the guides and the 606 00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:48,610 interpreters who accompanied me or who 607 00:30:55,410 --> 00:30:51,820 hired when I got to a particular site to 608 00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:55,420 assist me because they were just 609 00:31:04,280 --> 00:30:59,410 invaluable in terms of providing me 610 00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:04,290 access introducing me validating me and 611 00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:09,039 people you know protecting me basically 612 00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:13,639 and and so it was a the you know an 613 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:17,350 unbelievable experience it really sounds 614 00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,529 it now how did you handle the the 615 00:31:26,669 --> 00:31:23,440 language I'm sure you have had to deal 616 00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:26,679 with several languages I did you know 617 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:31,720 several dialects I mean yes yeah well I 618 00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:34,210 also interviewed some Zapotec so you 619 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:36,340 know the zapotec language was mixed in 620 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:38,440 there and and the mixed tech who has a 621 00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:42,850 different language in and the the Maya 622 00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:45,820 has several dialects 623 00:31:53,879 --> 00:31:51,190 and handled that is I one of the 624 00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:53,889 requirements for a driver was that they 625 00:32:04,769 --> 00:31:58,679 spoke English Spanish and at least one 626 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:04,779 native dialect and I had one guy that 627 00:32:09,899 --> 00:32:07,210 spoke six different dialects of the Maya 628 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:09,909 language as well as Spanish English and 629 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:12,610 French throne and so you know he was 630 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:18,730 highly skilled elastically but if I came 631 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:20,769 to a community where I didn't have a 632 00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:22,809 speaker I hired somebody in that 633 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:26,440 community who who was a who was a 634 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:28,990 speaker and and it's rather interesting 635 00:32:35,639 --> 00:32:31,090 because throughout my travels around 636 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:35,649 people who spoke English particularly 637 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,570 younger people because they ever had 638 00:32:43,289 --> 00:32:39,760 lived in the United States I mean 639 00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:43,299 several of my people are hired as 640 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:50,590 drivers or guides or interpreters had 641 00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:52,570 lived in the United States had come into 642 00:32:58,649 --> 00:32:56,289 the United States as illegals but after 643 00:33:00,180 --> 00:32:58,659 they got a certain amount of money and 644 00:33:02,909 --> 00:33:00,190 were able to go home and build a small 645 00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:02,919 home for their mother or for their 646 00:33:10,259 --> 00:33:06,100 families whatever returned because they 647 00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:10,269 they spoke of the fear of living here 648 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:12,820 and being an illegal and how they could 649 00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,590 never really relax because they were 650 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:16,720 always afraid they were going to get 651 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:17,940 caught 652 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:19,890 so they would come here and earn money 653 00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:23,910 and get out and and then with a benefit 654 00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:25,680 of the English language then at their 655 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:28,230 disposal they were able to get into the 656 00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:31,170 tourist industry or become a guide or 657 00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:36,030 a driver or whatever when people like me 658 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:40,110 came along and need assistance mm-hmm 659 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:43,710 yeah that's that helped out in that way 660 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:46,770 now did you were there parts of the 661 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:49,470 places that you went where there was 662 00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:52,170 early I don't know it's sort of like 663 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:56,460 tribal conditions like people separated 664 00:34:02,840 --> 00:33:58,290 from the rest of society 665 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:02,850 well the land owned Maya who live 666 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:07,650 oh it's about maybe 40 40 50 miles from 667 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:11,010 Palenque which is in the Chiapas up in 668 00:34:17,140 --> 00:34:14,010 the mountains in the Chiapas they were a 669 00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:17,150 group of the Maya who entered you know 670 00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:20,340 separated themselves so much from the 671 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:24,060 rest of the you know of their group and 672 00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:27,570 have carried on their ways of life their 673 00:34:34,390 --> 00:34:31,200 religion their you know ancient 674 00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:34,400 practices even and you know until today 675 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:38,419 they still dressed as they as they want 676 00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:44,520 as they always did they have long hair 677 00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:47,070 both of men women and children all have 678 00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:50,820 long straight hair separated it just 679 00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,630 falls down their back they wear these 680 00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,980 I'm not sure what they're made out of 681 00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:57,900 but they look like home spun cotton 682 00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:01,260 gowns they all dress alike and men women 683 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:12,330 it's just like a gown that comes down to 684 00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:15,790 their ankle and and just a hole with 685 00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:19,140 with sleeves and at shorts please 686 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:22,900 they're you know I met several groups in 687 00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:25,930 villages every village oh when you get 688 00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:27,820 into the highlands and a lot of those 689 00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:29,800 mountain villages they all have a 690 00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:34,000 distinctive way of dress and I had 691 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:37,630 people women tell me describe to me what 692 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:39,490 their dresses meant the symbolism behind 693 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:42,070 their dresses a lot of it has to do with 694 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:51,010 the cosmos and the Stars and I had met 695 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:53,800 one group and you know they they live 696 00:36:00,330 --> 00:35:56,050 kind of in Philly she can be kind of 697 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:00,340 almost live in a fort of seclusion they 698 00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:03,880 have a history of murdering the only 699 00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:06,100 Catholic priests that ever came to their 700 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:11,590 village they they defeated the Spaniards 701 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:14,260 now they were up in LA Makkah and they 702 00:36:20,070 --> 00:36:18,190 just faded the Spaniards by pouring they 703 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:20,080 would they had this fort built around 704 00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:22,270 their village and they literally would 705 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:24,280 go up on top of the fort and pour 706 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:26,890 boiling water and boiling oil over on 707 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,810 the Spanish soldiers no Mexican 708 00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:33,520 policeman is even allowed in this 709 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:35,980 community they have their own laws and 710 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:38,410 if you as a visitor and they allow this 711 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:39,790 church to come and of course you gotta 712 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:42,700 pay and everything you do you have to 713 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:45,490 pay you have to pay to get into the 714 00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:47,170 village you have to pay to go to the 715 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:55,180 church and they they are they allow that 716 00:36:59,580 --> 00:36:57,130 but once you're in there you're 717 00:37:02,280 --> 00:36:59,590 vulnerable to their laws and if you do 718 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:02,290 something you're not supposed to do you 719 00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:05,650 know it should mean your life and so my 720 00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:09,220 you know my drivers and gods are very 721 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:11,830 careful they do this do this what to 722 00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:15,070 wear what not to do because you know I 723 00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:18,760 mean there's records of you know people 724 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:21,400 being killed tourists being killed and 725 00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:23,770 the police will not do anything about it 726 00:37:28,410 --> 00:37:26,500 because they have no authority and the 727 00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:28,420 US government won't do anything about it 728 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:30,520 so if you go into some of these you know 729 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:33,310 communities and then you know they have 730 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:39,310 a history exhaling any one within their 731 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:41,890 community who marries ex outside their 732 00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:45,010 community and I found that to be fairly 733 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:47,740 common in some of those isolated 734 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:51,880 villages in in Oaxaca particularly in a 735 00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:55,330 state of luck I'm sure I want to 736 00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,670 apologize to people listening live I 737 00:38:02,280 --> 00:37:59,520 understand through the chat room that 738 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:02,290 the sound keeps truck dropping I've been 739 00:38:08,609 --> 00:38:05,290 trying to reach the producer and so he 740 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:08,619 when he gets back and I'm sure he'll 741 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:10,570 he'll fix that and again I apologize and 742 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:12,250 if you are listening live you are 743 00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:14,230 welcome to jump in the chatroom if you'd 744 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:15,790 like to pose a question to our guests 745 00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:19,810 just go to podcast UFO comm and it's a 2 746 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:21,640 click sign up the chat rooms right there 747 00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:25,330 on the sidebar so let's let's jump right 748 00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:27,820 in and talk about one of the stories 749 00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:30,550 love to hear some of these stories and 750 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:34,150 it doesn't necessarily have to be your 751 00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:37,090 favorite one that you have but I just 752 00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:40,030 want to hear a variety of what these 753 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:43,390 people have been saying well let's start 754 00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:45,730 with because that's the first country I 755 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:49,600 visited now I had no no real really no 756 00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:51,250 language problem in Belize because 757 00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:53,940 believes is an english-speaking nation 758 00:39:04,750 --> 00:38:57,900 the only one in that part of the world 759 00:39:09,350 --> 00:39:04,760 and I had heard a story when about a 760 00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:09,360 stone woman and the local legend says 761 00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:13,200 around the end of the 1800s a young man 762 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:15,600 from the village went hunting and as he 763 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:18,330 approached the ancient city which was 764 00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:21,330 the Ancients in their village was not in 765 00:39:25,850 --> 00:39:22,950 the ancient city but as he approached 766 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:25,860 the ancient city and he caused the base 767 00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,910 of a cocido 768 00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,000 which is the pyramid that beneath the 769 00:39:34,820 --> 00:39:31,920 base of the pyramid there was a cavern 770 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:34,830 and there standing at the base of this 771 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:38,610 pyramid was this beautiful statuesque my 772 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:41,130 woman dressed in a long flowing white 773 00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,700 dress and that she had red glowing eyes 774 00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:47,760 but that she did not move in that that's 775 00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:49,950 how it she earned the name the stone 776 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:54,600 woman according to the young hunter she 777 00:39:58,820 --> 00:39:56,730 sparked in the Rays of the Rising Sun 778 00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,830 and he said he was so awestruck by her 779 00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:01,140 appearance that he threw his gun aside 780 00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,060 and he ran to the village and told the 781 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:05,280 people all about this beautiful woman of 782 00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:08,730 stone and several villagers including 783 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,720 the local priest or shaman went went to 784 00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:14,880 the site and when they arrived there 785 00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:17,670 they found the mouth of the cave but the 786 00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,550 stone woman had disappeared well 787 00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,040 occasionally the stone woman reappears 788 00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:24,960 and I happened to be in that part of the 789 00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:29,100 world one time when there was a recent 790 00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:32,220 account of a local shaman reporting the 791 00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:36,390 stone woman was seen again and and that 792 00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:41,670 he saw her ascending to a large silver 793 00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:44,720 disc that hung over the ancient site 794 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:47,580 others that witnessed the event said 795 00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:49,500 they saw her climb the pyramid and 796 00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:53,160 disappear inside a wall and even though 797 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:54,900 Stevens and Catherwood had not ventured 798 00:41:01,400 --> 00:40:57,450 to this site I decided to take that trip 799 00:41:03,970 --> 00:41:01,410 because I wanted to get the lowdown so 800 00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:03,980 to speak on what was going on 801 00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:07,400 and so my guide and I headed out to the 802 00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:11,420 village and we the the priest was gone 803 00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:13,640 home but she told us where that we could 804 00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:16,310 find him at the ancient site so in order 805 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:17,660 to get there you have to take this 806 00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:20,810 hand-cranked ferry over the the motown 807 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:24,080 River and so we got on this ferry and we 808 00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:28,930 we cranked our way across the river and 809 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:36,230 the waited like a a mile from Guatemala 810 00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:39,890 in fact it's that close to the 811 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:42,950 Guatemalan border but there's no road to 812 00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,370 get there they estimate that that this 813 00:41:53,020 --> 00:41:51,680 place was probably abandoned around a 814 00:41:58,030 --> 00:41:53,030 thousand AD 815 00:42:00,100 --> 00:41:58,040 well we located the shaman who agreed to 816 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:00,110 tell us the story and he explained that 817 00:42:03,790 --> 00:42:02,030 for several weeks 818 00:42:10,570 --> 00:42:03,800 the residents had been seeing strange 819 00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:10,580 flying objects over the town and the 820 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:12,860 villagers called the object circles that 821 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:16,310 blocked the Sun and reportedly there was 822 00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:18,290 a light radiating from underneath the 823 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:20,900 craft which pulsated from a bright 824 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:24,170 yellow to a blinding blue light but 825 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:26,030 there was no sound coming from the craft 826 00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:27,710 so they called it the circles that 827 00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:30,230 blocked the Sun and then after several 828 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:32,870 weeks the sightings had had set the 829 00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:36,290 people on edge and so he said that the 830 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:38,150 people had spent much of their time in 831 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:40,370 church praying because they weren't sure 832 00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:43,250 what was going on and I asked him I said 833 00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:44,990 what was this the time that the stone 834 00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:47,660 woman appeared and he said yes and he 835 00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:49,750 said from the first time she was spotted 836 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:52,700 the owners talked about a strange flying 837 00:42:59,830 --> 00:42:57,410 machine that circled the sky and I said 838 00:43:00,940 --> 00:42:59,840 well the stories of her originated in 839 00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:00,950 the 1800s 840 00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:03,590 did those stories also talk about a 841 00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:06,860 flying saucer and he said as long as he 842 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:08,870 could remember the owners have said the 843 00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:10,850 stone woman comes from the sky 844 00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,240 and they said she is a scar woman and I 845 00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:15,920 said well what did he tell me about the 846 00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:19,700 most recent event and he said well it 847 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:21,590 was a Sunday morning and the people are 848 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:23,270 headed to church when the craft came 849 00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:25,250 over the village at a very slow speed 850 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:29,030 and I said well can you tell me any 851 00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:31,730 details and he said well it was loud it 852 00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:35,420 had no wings and I said well did you see 853 00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:37,670 a woman the woman called the one called 854 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:40,220 the stone woman and he said I saw a 855 00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,490 woman and she was magnificent and he 856 00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:45,440 said she glowed like the star she was 857 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:47,740 the most beautiful woman I've ever seen 858 00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:50,930 she said he said she descended from the 859 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:53,720 craft on a beam of light she stood at 860 00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:55,610 the entrance of the pyramid and walked 861 00:44:01,180 --> 00:43:58,190 inside the cave and he said when she 862 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:01,190 emerged she climbed to the top of 863 00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:03,650 tostito and a beam of light came down 864 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:05,720 and she entered the craft just as she 865 00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:09,230 had emerged from it and I said to him I 866 00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:11,000 said well were you the only witness and 867 00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:12,760 he said well there were several others 868 00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:15,230 but some of them said she walked inside 869 00:44:21,070 --> 00:44:18,260 the pyramid and disappeared but he said 870 00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:21,080 I know the truth because I waited her 871 00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:24,350 eyes and I said well what do you mean 872 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:27,680 you avoided her eyes and he said she has 873 00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:30,910 red glowing eyes and she has the ability 874 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:34,040 that if you look at this look at it in 875 00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:37,310 July she has a power over you that makes 876 00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:40,460 you see what she wants to see and he 877 00:44:47,290 --> 00:44:44,600 said so I knew that and so I didn't look 878 00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:47,300 in her eyes and so I was able to see 879 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:49,880 what was actually going on where she 880 00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:52,010 made the other people see what she 881 00:44:58,690 --> 00:44:55,940 wanted them to see so that was the story 882 00:45:03,930 --> 00:44:58,700 of a stone woman of belief and you know 883 00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:03,940 based on an ancient ancient story I 884 00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:07,670 asked him I said do you believe the 885 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:09,710 original story that she was a woman of 886 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:12,050 stone and he said I don't believe she 887 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:14,570 was he said I think the young hunter who 888 00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:17,330 first saw her was so dazzled by her 889 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:19,940 beauty she made him think she was a 890 00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,270 woman of succs don't 891 00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,280 these are the people from the stars have 892 00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:26,220 great powers more than those of us on 893 00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:30,480 earth and he said I believe she is a 894 00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:33,000 living breathing star goddess who cast a 895 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:36,540 spell on those who saw her and made them 896 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:39,050 believe what she wanted them to believe 897 00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,460 and he said she was taller than our 898 00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:46,560 women she had black hair that flowed 899 00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,680 down the back to her waist she long 900 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:53,040 white dress with embroidery and but he 901 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:55,170 said I wasn't close enough to recognize 902 00:45:59,330 --> 00:45:57,510 the sign designs of her embroidery and 903 00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,340 as I mentioned before that was very 904 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:02,880 important because each village has its 905 00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:06,530 own way of dress in many parts of that 906 00:46:14,090 --> 00:46:10,470 of Mesoamerica that identifies where 907 00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:14,100 they're from and as the women you know 908 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:16,440 to us they may look like floral designs 909 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:19,410 or abstract designs but the women tell 910 00:46:28,070 --> 00:46:23,730 me that in in the old days a traditional 911 00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,080 way of embroidering your dress had to do 912 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:30,000 with your connection with the cosmos in 913 00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:36,810 the star system so that was one of the 914 00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:38,670 stories I thought that was interesting 915 00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:43,380 you know and you know and in Iran on I 916 00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:46,440 met another a man and believes who told 917 00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:48,630 me that he had a double on another 918 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:51,720 planet that he had actually been cloned 919 00:47:00,200 --> 00:46:56,730 and for the purposes and he grew up with 920 00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:00,210 this this child who was his clone and 921 00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:04,440 this clone learned everything from him 922 00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:08,510 and then the idea being that the 923 00:47:15,940 --> 00:47:11,670 basement excuse me the space men were 924 00:47:18,339 --> 00:47:15,950 literally populating another planet 925 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:18,349 and he was going to be one that they 926 00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:20,450 would use but his clone would populate 927 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:23,540 be a part of that population so some 928 00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:26,210 interesting stories out of belief yes 929 00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,790 and let's let's go into some of the 930 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:31,040 other country some well let me ask you 931 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:35,470 this this just occurred to me were there 932 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:38,510 commonalities in some of these stories 933 00:47:43,930 --> 00:47:41,450 spread apart in different areas and 934 00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:43,940 different in different countries as you 935 00:47:53,470 --> 00:47:47,049 were traveling well you know I think 936 00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:53,480 sometimes a description of the the of 937 00:48:02,099 --> 00:47:55,460 the aliens they encountered or the 938 00:48:07,059 --> 00:48:05,349 there were similarities with other 939 00:48:09,490 --> 00:48:07,069 stories that you've heard in the u.s. 940 00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:09,500 like the different kinds of aliens I 941 00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:11,420 think we could say some of them were 942 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:13,190 that's all whites and some of them were 943 00:48:20,339 --> 00:48:16,250 the the little gray men and some of them 944 00:48:28,049 --> 00:48:20,349 were lizard like men or more lizard than 945 00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:28,059 humans or you know human-like but I 946 00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:33,470 heard stories of women being abducted 947 00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:38,380 and pregnant and tagged nated but not 948 00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:41,720 necessarily you know it ran the whole 949 00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:45,020 gamut of of different kinds of things 950 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:47,240 that you know to say the only 951 00:48:52,750 --> 00:48:49,849 commonality would be the encounters you 952 00:48:55,860 --> 00:48:52,760 know that they had encounters well but 953 00:49:01,680 --> 00:48:55,870 they varied so distinctly 954 00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:01,690 right uh-huh and when when you were also 955 00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:03,580 speaking to the people there were there 956 00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:07,960 any incidents that happened you know 957 00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:13,150 fairly you know not that long ago like 958 00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:16,600 in other words a recent encounter well 959 00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,120 there was one encounter that occurred 960 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:21,520 you know in Honduras when I was there 961 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:27,010 and I was stating in this kind of 962 00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:30,370 boutique hotel my driver from Belize had 963 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:34,750 taken me to Honduras to coupon which it 964 00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:37,090 was the the first site that Stevens and 965 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:41,950 Catherwood had visited and so my plan 966 00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,010 was you know I had arranged for a driver 967 00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:47,920 to pick me up and cope on and take me to 968 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:52,710 Guatemala but I did not have a driver 969 00:49:59,460 --> 00:49:56,890 once I got to cope on because the city 970 00:50:01,680 --> 00:49:59,470 is actually called copan ruinas and and 971 00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:01,690 and then the villa the ancient site is 972 00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:03,550 is called Poupon 973 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:05,080 to me it felt like it should have been 974 00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:06,790 the opposite but that's the way it was 975 00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:11,320 and all along there were enough people 976 00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,630 there who spoke English to because there 977 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:15,520 is a bilingual school there this teaches 978 00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:22,210 English and and us Spanish and what's 979 00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:24,520 interesting is they attract all of these 980 00:50:29,550 --> 00:50:26,680 students these english-speaking students 981 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:29,560 from all over the world particularly 982 00:50:36,510 --> 00:50:33,040 from the UK to come there and teach in 983 00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,520 their school for minimum rewards and I 984 00:50:45,499 --> 00:50:39,280 think perhaps room and board and these 985 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:45,509 kids are all learning English and but 986 00:50:53,389 --> 00:50:50,130 I Eleni approached me and and and say to 987 00:50:55,999 --> 00:50:53,399 me that she said you know if you go into 988 00:51:00,079 --> 00:50:56,009 cope on at night if you go into the site 989 00:51:02,269 --> 00:51:00,089 at night the ancestors will come if you 990 00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:02,279 are indigenous and she said you are 991 00:51:09,019 --> 00:51:03,209 indigenous 992 00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:09,029 I said yes USA and she said well the 993 00:51:14,479 --> 00:51:12,359 priest said you would come and I said 994 00:51:17,299 --> 00:51:14,489 are you talking about the Catholic 995 00:51:20,209 --> 00:51:17,309 priest and she said no I'm talking about 996 00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:20,219 our priest in in my village she says I 997 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:26,609 live in the mountains away from the city 998 00:51:32,889 --> 00:51:30,689 and she began to tell me that this they 999 00:51:39,319 --> 00:51:32,899 had fallen on hard times and this was 1000 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:39,329 around 2008 when the economy had really 1001 00:51:47,749 --> 00:51:42,089 tanked and people weren't traveling as 1002 00:51:50,029 --> 00:51:47,759 much to that part of the world and their 1003 00:51:51,919 --> 00:51:50,039 economy had suffered because the people 1004 00:51:56,379 --> 00:51:51,929 there depends so much on the tourist 1005 00:52:00,649 --> 00:51:56,389 industry and so she told me that that 1006 00:52:03,729 --> 00:52:00,659 their priests had said that a woman was 1007 00:52:07,669 --> 00:52:03,739 coming from the north el norte 1008 00:52:10,819 --> 00:52:07,679 and that this woman was going to be very 1009 00:52:14,299 --> 00:52:10,829 kind and she said I know you're that 1010 00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,309 woman and I said well I know I'm not I 1011 00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:16,559 can't be that woman I'm you know I'm 1012 00:52:23,689 --> 00:52:20,609 just a professor I'm not anybody and she 1013 00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:23,699 said oh no you are she said you know I 1014 00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,380 see how you treat people 1015 00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:28,380 I see how you talk to the children I see 1016 00:52:35,509 --> 00:52:31,380 how you leave tips I see how you speak 1017 00:52:38,479 --> 00:52:35,519 to people so she just insisted that I 1018 00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,489 was the woman that her her priest had 1019 00:52:43,759 --> 00:52:40,319 had predicted would comes to their 1020 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:43,769 village and she said tonight my brother 1021 00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:45,450 will come for you 1022 00:52:51,260 --> 00:52:48,420 and he will take you into the city and 1023 00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,270 if you have a kind heart and you are 1024 00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:54,480 that woman the the the ancients were 1025 00:53:02,059 --> 00:52:59,339 coming and I said well who are the 1026 00:53:05,049 --> 00:53:02,069 ancients you mean the star people and 1027 00:53:07,780 --> 00:53:05,059 she said see they they they will come 1028 00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:07,790 and so about midnight her brother 1029 00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:11,849 Theodora door knocked on the door and 1030 00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:17,990 and he led me into the jungle and we 1031 00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:22,140 find this pyramid in the dark and we sat 1032 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:26,880 there and I could hear the bat you know 1033 00:53:32,890 --> 00:53:29,970 below and I can see the stars that just 1034 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:32,900 seemed you know unbelievably bright 1035 00:53:46,059 --> 00:53:35,250 sitting there on that pyramid and he 1036 00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:46,069 says now we wait and along before dogs 1037 00:53:51,859 --> 00:53:49,980 all of a sudden these lights appeared 1038 00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:51,869 and they they were like they were 1039 00:54:03,980 --> 00:53:57,720 cavorting in the plaza and there were 1040 00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:03,990 several of them maybe 20 just almost 1041 00:54:12,380 --> 00:54:07,920 like they were dancing they were and he 1042 00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:12,390 and Pedro says they're here and then one 1043 00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:14,099 of them broke away from the rest of the 1044 00:54:21,820 --> 00:54:16,910 group that came right in front of me and 1045 00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:21,830 the others lined up behind this light 1046 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:27,020 and then all of a sudden the Sun came up 1047 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:32,290 and they disappeared and I looked up 1048 00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:38,660 overhead and there was a wheel light 1049 00:54:48,220 --> 00:54:45,110 craft circling above the closet it is it 1050 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:48,230 covered the entire space now one of the 1051 00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:50,570 plazas I forget is what four or five 1052 00:54:57,070 --> 00:54:53,300 foot pulses four thousand four five 1053 00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:57,080 football fields it was rotating very 1054 00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:00,640 slowly and then all of a sudden it 1055 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:05,980 accelerated and it took off and was gone 1056 00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:09,530 well I'm just dumbfounded and my trip my 1057 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:15,640 guide Teodoro says you're one of us and 1058 00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:19,490 and so we're walking back to the village 1059 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:21,470 and he's trying to say will you go with 1060 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:23,450 me tomorrow night and I said well you 1061 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:26,450 know I'm a driver it's coming for me 1062 00:55:32,380 --> 00:55:29,690 today this morning I'm on my way Aguada 1063 00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:32,390 mama and so he he made me promise that I 1064 00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:34,550 would return because he says you know 1065 00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:36,470 you have brought prosperity to our 1066 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:38,420 village because this is what the priest 1067 00:55:44,020 --> 00:55:40,970 said that when this woman from the north 1068 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:44,030 would come she would and she visited 1069 00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:48,650 with the ancients that when the ancients 1070 00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:50,990 appeared to her that meant that the 1071 00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:53,790 village would be prosperous again 1072 00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:58,470 and so when I we were driving out of the 1073 00:56:01,460 --> 00:55:59,130 village 1074 00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:01,470 I remember my driver saying to me did 1075 00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:05,220 you see the UFO last night and he said I 1076 00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:08,430 was in Guatemala and we saw it and it 1077 00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:13,560 was headed toward coupons and you know I 1078 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:16,200 was I didn't even respond to him because 1079 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:19,010 I'm thinking about what I had just seen 1080 00:56:27,350 --> 00:56:23,730 we got to Guatemala City I was so 1081 00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:27,360 exhausted I went into I had dinner went 1082 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:34,710 to the hotel and went to bed and the 1083 00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:37,890 next morning I found out that that craft 1084 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:40,980 I assumed it was the same craft had 1085 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:43,530 circled over the hotel that night hmm 1086 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:45,810 and there were probably 20 or 30 people 1087 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:48,810 who had witnessed this craft that I 1088 00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:51,450 described to you you're saying when they 1089 00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:55,440 described to me that had hovered over 1090 00:57:03,230 --> 00:56:59,280 the hotel that night and actually taken 1091 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:03,240 one of the waiters on board the craft so 1092 00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:06,210 his story is also in the book Wow 1093 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:09,240 so we're just about three minutes away 1094 00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,930 from the top of the hour and so just one 1095 00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:14,520 question came up on the message board 1096 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:17,940 and and it would be nice to get the 1097 00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:20,280 answer from you any of these people that 1098 00:57:27,050 --> 00:57:22,980 were having these encounters did they 1099 00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:27,060 claim to receive any message from the 1100 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:35,980 the ulti messages and and this only came 1101 00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:37,730 from maybe two or three of the people 1102 00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:42,740 was that the people had not taken very 1103 00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:46,310 good care of the earth and that in the 1104 00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:49,280 future we would have to pay the 1105 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:52,070 consequences for our mistakes when I 1106 00:57:59,590 --> 00:57:54,890 tell you what you hear that hear that in 1107 00:58:04,330 --> 00:57:59,600 in the South African Rwanda I believe 1108 00:58:06,310 --> 00:58:04,340 that's what it was yeah you hear it 1109 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:06,320 everywhere and that's something that 1110 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:09,290 really makes you wonder and you know 1111 00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:11,770 it's it's actually common sense as well 1112 00:58:20,860 --> 00:58:17,320 you know we we are ruining our planet so 1113 00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:20,870 you know it's just that we're in a 1114 00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,990 society that lives for today you know 1115 00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:26,240 and I brought this up you know before 1116 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:27,830 when we were talking about nuclear power 1117 00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:30,530 you know we we use like the power we 1118 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:33,380 need for just today but we we put the 1119 00:58:38,050 --> 00:58:36,530 burden out there for 250,000 years of 1120 00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:38,060 people to take care of the waste you 1121 00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:38,990 know that type of stuff 1122 00:58:46,330 --> 00:58:42,800 so yeah we're not treating our planet 1123 00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:46,340 very nicely that's for sure and that's 1124 00:58:58,570 --> 00:58:55,480 well we just got a couple minutes left 1125 00:59:00,040 --> 00:58:58,580 in this hour is before we jump into the 1126 00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:00,050 next hour and talk about you're the 1127 00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:03,590 Native American culture and your first 1128 00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,710 book is there another quick story you 1129 00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:09,440 can tell us from one of the people you 1130 00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:13,150 know in Honduras as well I met this um I 1131 00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:17,120 meant to Selzer and he was um he spoke 1132 00:59:22,299 --> 00:59:17,870 English 1133 00:59:29,609 --> 00:59:26,499 I asked him how he had how he had had 1134 00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:29,619 learned English so well and he said that 1135 00:59:36,249 --> 00:59:32,630 when he was a small boy he said I was 1136 00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:36,259 born in 1904 they said when I was five 1137 00:59:40,539 --> 00:59:37,160 years old 1138 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:40,549 Herbert spendin and Kurt spendin was the 1139 00:59:45,219 --> 00:59:42,890 assistant curator of anthropology at the 1140 00:59:49,989 --> 00:59:45,229 American Museum of Natural History in 1141 00:59:53,529 --> 00:59:49,999 New York and Kirsten and came to cope on 1142 01:00:02,410 --> 00:59:53,539 and he spent 20 years there from 1909 to 1143 01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:02,420 1929 so Ruth was was five years old when 1144 01:00:07,929 --> 01:00:05,209 he first arrived there and he said and 1145 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:07,939 he was and at the time I interviewed him 1146 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:12,170 he was 99 years old he said I worked at 1147 01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,170 this site for almost 75 years and he 1148 01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:17,359 said spending was the first to her me 1149 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,729 and he said mostly in those days I was a 1150 01:00:24,429 --> 01:00:21,920 runner I would go get him water and I 1151 01:00:26,709 --> 01:00:24,439 would bring lunches to the site and he 1152 01:00:29,739 --> 01:00:26,719 said I worked all day for ten cents a 1153 01:00:31,870 --> 01:00:29,749 day and he said but spenden told me that 1154 01:00:34,359 --> 01:00:31,880 if I learned English he would pay me 1155 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:34,369 more money and he says by the time I was 1156 01:00:40,929 --> 01:00:37,130 eight I spoke English and he raised my 1157 01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:40,939 sorry - 25 cents a day and he paid me 25 1158 01:00:46,989 --> 01:00:43,729 cents a day in - he left and he said 1159 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:46,999 then the Carnegie scientists came to 1160 01:00:51,939 --> 01:00:49,609 excavate and restore this city and he 1161 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:51,949 said they paid me 50 cents a day because 1162 01:00:59,769 --> 01:00:55,130 I could speak English and he said that 1163 01:01:02,319 --> 01:00:59,779 on the weekends when the scientists took 1164 01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:02,329 Tom off he and his friends would go up 1165 01:01:10,359 --> 01:01:06,079 into the mountains above coupon and you 1166 01:01:12,669 --> 01:01:10,369 know I'm tell you about really extensive 1167 01:01:14,499 --> 01:01:12,679 mountain ranges in that area and they 1168 01:01:16,509 --> 01:01:14,509 would go up into those mountains and 1169 01:01:18,279 --> 01:01:16,519 there are a lot of caves and they were 1170 01:01:20,769 --> 01:01:18,289 going through these case to see if they 1171 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:20,779 can find any artifacts because if they 1172 01:01:25,150 --> 01:01:23,170 did they would bring them back and me 1173 01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:25,160 archaeologists would pay them for them 1174 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:27,310 they were buying from them 1175 01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,530 and he said I was about 11 o clock we 1176 01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:32,720 said we would go up there these are my 1177 01:01:40,270 --> 01:01:37,040 cousins that I found this skeleton of a 1178 01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:40,280 man in a silver suit and he said his 1179 01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:42,680 suit was silver from the top of his head 1180 01:01:48,070 --> 01:01:46,070 to the bottom of his feet and he said 1181 01:01:50,830 --> 01:01:48,080 but all that remained inside the suit 1182 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:50,840 was a skeleton and he said from the size 1183 01:01:58,900 --> 01:01:53,930 of the suit he was a he was a small man 1184 01:02:01,030 --> 01:01:58,910 and I estimated because he was motioning 1185 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:01,040 how tall he was it is probably about a 1186 01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:04,250 meter tall and he said his head was 1187 01:02:12,690 --> 01:02:09,140 covered in a hard metal like tube and he 1188 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:12,700 said there were strange cat at a tablet 1189 01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:16,490 beside him and with strange characters 1190 01:02:20,530 --> 01:02:18,320 on it and he said it was not my 1191 01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:20,540 enlighting because we knew what my array 1192 01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:23,030 Mayan writing looked like and he said 1193 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:24,830 this writing was foreign to us and he 1194 01:02:28,330 --> 01:02:26,450 said when we showed it to the 1195 01:02:30,910 --> 01:02:28,340 archaeologists they didn't know what it 1196 01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:30,920 wasn't either and I said well tell me 1197 01:02:37,150 --> 01:02:34,720 more about the helmet and he said well 1198 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:37,160 the best he could describe it it was 1199 01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:41,090 like a large coffee can but it was that 1200 01:02:45,609 --> 01:02:43,070 was the shape of it but it was bigger 1201 01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:45,619 than a coffee can and he said it was 1202 01:02:51,370 --> 01:02:48,830 attached to the suit and had a hose that 1203 01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:51,380 attached to the front of the suit and he 1204 01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:52,880 said there were different color buttons 1205 01:02:57,580 --> 01:02:54,950 on the front of the breast of the suit 1206 01:02:59,590 --> 01:02:57,590 and I said well what did you do with it 1207 01:03:02,470 --> 01:02:59,600 and he said well we carried it back to 1208 01:03:05,530 --> 01:03:02,480 the archaeologists and and he said they 1209 01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:05,540 were really excited he said they took it 1210 01:03:10,540 --> 01:03:07,400 into one of their tents and they began 1211 01:03:12,370 --> 01:03:10,550 examining this and exactly and they said 1212 01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:12,380 he heard one of the archaeologists say 1213 01:03:18,250 --> 01:03:14,510 but they had to send it back to the USA 1214 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:18,260 immediately and he said 1215 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:22,890 the next day I saw a box in the tip and 1216 01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:24,690 he said I think they packed him up and 1217 01:03:29,090 --> 01:03:26,430 shipped him to their University and he 1218 01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:29,100 said I never saw him again and he said 1219 01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:31,740 all of my life I have felt guilty about 1220 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:35,280 the silver man and he said I'm sure the 1221 01:03:39,350 --> 01:03:37,650 scientists in the USA have studied and 1222 01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,360 Rees cutting him but they keep it a 1223 01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:42,720 secret and he said I believe it's proof 1224 01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:46,380 that alien exists don't you and he said 1225 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:50,040 I feel so bad because it was such an 1226 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:53,250 important part now that I'm I'm an old 1227 01:03:58,790 --> 01:03:55,290 man he says I know it was such an 1228 01:04:02,330 --> 01:03:58,800 important part of proving the Maya 1229 01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:02,340 connection with the Stars and and then 1230 01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:04,140 he went on to tell me that his 1231 01:04:12,830 --> 01:04:10,440 grandfather always told him about these 1232 01:04:14,780 --> 01:04:12,840 men who came from the stars and who 1233 01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:14,790 lived in the mountains sometimes for 1234 01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:19,110 months and that they never bothered the 1235 01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,760 people in the village so the people in 1236 01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,760 the village never bothered them and he 1237 01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:25,680 said they came and silversmiths that 1238 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:29,400 spitfyre and the men were there were 1239 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:32,970 suits and he says I think I discovered 1240 01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:36,450 we discovered one of those who died on 1241 01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:38,940 one of those visits and they buried him 1242 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:48,890 amazing story it really is well you know 1243 01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:50,610 that's it for this part of the show and 1244 01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:52,980 we'll be back what wasn't what's the 1245 01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,880 name of the book we're going to be 1246 01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:55,440 discussing in the second half of the 1247 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:00,660 show encounter with star people it's 1248 01:06:24,810 --> 01:05:04,490 Native American basically yes write 1249 01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,800 welcome back and if you're listening 1250 01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:29,119 live and you just joined us we are alive 1251 01:06:36,340 --> 01:06:34,190 with dr. hardy six killer Clark and we 1252 01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:36,350 are been talking about her travels 1253 01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:38,660 through Mesoamerica and now we're going 1254 01:06:44,050 --> 01:06:41,990 to be talking in this hour about the 1255 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:44,060 Native American culture and her first 1256 01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:46,970 book and if you are listening live I do 1257 01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:49,270 apologize there is some intermittent 1258 01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:53,150 issues with the sound the producer Keith 1259 01:06:59,290 --> 01:06:56,150 is trying to get that fixed as soon as 1260 01:07:01,630 --> 01:06:59,300 possible up on the message board if you 1261 01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:01,640 scroll up you'll see a link to another 1262 01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:04,880 site where people are claiming the the 1263 01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:07,310 sound is clear on that and not not 1264 01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:09,920 breaking up so just go to our message 1265 01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,750 board scroll up and you'll see the link 1266 01:07:15,820 --> 01:07:14,480 to that I think it's up I can't remember 1267 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:15,830 what it's called iTunes radio or 1268 01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:17,450 something like that where this is 1269 01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:20,350 playing as well but anyway welcome back 1270 01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:24,560 Artie and let's talk about your your 1271 01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:27,710 your travels in Native America and to me 1272 01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:32,420 this is I actually have some Native 1273 01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:35,350 American blood in me and both 1274 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:38,510 great-grandmother's on one of my 1275 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:41,330 father's side and one of my my mother's 1276 01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:43,490 side with both full blood Native 1277 01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:47,150 American and so I've always had a in 1278 01:07:52,090 --> 01:07:50,150 this and I've listened to I actually 1279 01:07:54,370 --> 01:07:52,100 used to have a property that used to be 1280 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:54,380 part of a park where I used to have a 1281 01:07:58,450 --> 01:07:56,810 powwow every year and it had a blast 1282 01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:58,460 people came from all over the country 1283 01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,480 and and you never even knew they were 1284 01:08:07,330 --> 01:08:03,920 there when they left the place was 1285 01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:07,340 spotless every year so anyway I've 1286 01:08:13,690 --> 01:08:09,470 enjoyed that culture a lot over the 1287 01:08:15,580 --> 01:08:13,700 years and and and love the stories not 1288 01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:15,590 not only the stories about star people 1289 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:17,480 but you know so many traditions that 1290 01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:19,970 have been handed down generation after 1291 01:08:25,660 --> 01:08:23,839 generation and so let's go let's talk 1292 01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:25,670 about that and how you started that book 1293 01:08:29,470 --> 01:08:27,980 and I'm going to ask you kind of an 1294 01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:29,480 oddball question what was your first 1295 01:08:34,569 --> 01:08:32,960 interview that you did in relation to 1296 01:08:39,299 --> 01:08:34,579 that book 1297 01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:39,309 oh let me think about that 1298 01:08:46,419 --> 01:08:42,440 put your eyes spot good nice yeah 1299 01:08:50,370 --> 01:08:46,429 because you know I collected so many 1300 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:50,380 stories and I didn't necessarily um I 1301 01:09:04,990 --> 01:08:59,459 well we can change gears here and just 1302 01:09:09,610 --> 01:09:05,000 let's just talk about which one happens 1303 01:09:10,959 --> 01:09:09,620 first and that that dad was kind of it 1304 01:09:13,809 --> 01:09:10,969 like I said it was an off-the-cuff 1305 01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:13,819 question and but we can let's just 1306 01:09:21,249 --> 01:09:18,440 change the question to how did the book 1307 01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:21,259 start formulating because obviously you 1308 01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:24,190 said he collected stories long before so 1309 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:27,580 how did you start putting that together 1310 01:09:37,539 --> 01:09:31,850 you know whenever I decided I was going 1311 01:09:41,229 --> 01:09:37,549 to write a book I I just you know I had 1312 01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,239 shoeboxes full of tapes and and you know 1313 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:43,279 I had him organized in my notebooks 1314 01:09:49,019 --> 01:09:45,770 numbered and so I just went by it 1315 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:49,029 started back through and and started 1316 01:09:53,650 --> 01:09:51,890 going through everything and saying well 1317 01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:53,660 this will be a good story to tell and 1318 01:09:59,200 --> 01:09:55,310 this one would be a good story to tell 1319 01:10:03,370 --> 01:09:59,210 and so after I got to about 30 stories I 1320 01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:03,380 just sat down and started writing and I 1321 01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:08,920 think the first story that I recorded 1322 01:10:23,010 --> 01:10:14,000 was a story of that I called the 1323 01:10:26,020 --> 01:10:23,020 traveling model I met this this couple I 1324 01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:26,030 had stopped off at their place I had 1325 01:10:31,780 --> 01:10:28,520 visited some elders in the region and 1326 01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:31,790 and I stopped off at their place when I 1327 01:10:41,770 --> 01:10:36,800 heard that their place their ranch kind 1328 01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:41,780 of had frequent sightings of UFOs and I 1329 01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:43,550 went over and I introduced myself to 1330 01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:48,460 them and and I had previously met 1331 01:10:58,060 --> 01:10:52,730 Cynthia who was and and she was married 1332 01:11:01,600 --> 01:10:58,070 to a rancher Hovind and I had met her 1333 01:11:03,779 --> 01:11:01,610 because she she was a she was a teacher 1334 01:11:11,009 --> 01:11:03,789 and 1335 01:11:18,509 --> 01:11:11,019 invited me to come stay to come visit 1336 01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:18,519 them and when I arrived at their place 1337 01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:20,409 they invited me in and said you know 1338 01:11:27,149 --> 01:11:22,150 won't you join us for dinner they were 1339 01:11:28,589 --> 01:11:27,159 getting ready to have dinner and I asked 1340 01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:28,599 them I said well you know I'm here 1341 01:11:38,220 --> 01:11:35,920 because I've heard that you haven't you 1342 01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,230 know the UFOs come to your your ranch 1343 01:11:43,109 --> 01:11:40,960 and they said well you know I ancestors 1344 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:43,119 live among the stars and they keep watch 1345 01:11:48,209 --> 01:11:45,489 over us and they're the keepers of this 1346 01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:48,219 planet and we believe that the Milky Way 1347 01:11:54,569 --> 01:11:51,369 was created by the star beings as a 1348 01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:54,579 trail to guide us after we die - as our 1349 01:12:01,049 --> 01:11:58,719 way to return to the heavens what you 1350 01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:01,059 know the same thing you know you hear 1351 01:12:05,279 --> 01:12:03,670 that and in the Maya culture because of 1352 01:12:07,649 --> 01:12:05,289 Maya you know after they go through the 1353 01:12:10,109 --> 01:12:07,659 Otherworld you know go to Jamal mo which 1354 01:12:14,609 --> 01:12:10,119 is you across the Milky Way to get to 1355 01:12:16,350 --> 01:12:14,619 Chavez which is heaven those swords and 1356 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:16,360 I asked her I said well have you had 1357 01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:18,610 personal contact with the star people 1358 01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,409 and she says well we both seen them more 1359 01:12:26,069 --> 01:12:23,199 than once she said sometimes they come 1360 01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:26,079 and they take water out of our lake or 1361 01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:28,510 they just hover over it and you can see 1362 01:12:36,270 --> 01:12:31,630 the water rise into the cleft it's like 1363 01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,280 a downpour going upward she said she 1364 01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:38,320 says I said well has anyone else in your 1365 01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:40,630 family or any of your friends seen them 1366 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:43,449 and she said our children saw them all 1367 01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:45,130 the time when they were growing up and 1368 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:47,860 she said but they got used to it so it 1369 01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:50,010 was normal for them 1370 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:53,100 and she and Ivan don't want to tell me 1371 01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:54,570 that Indians had always had a 1372 01:13:01,610 --> 01:12:57,739 relationship with soybeans and that so 1373 01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:01,620 to see a UFO on the reservation was not 1374 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:04,020 something that was shocking to them 1375 01:13:10,940 --> 01:13:07,770 because the aliens weren't alien to them 1376 01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:10,950 they were a part of the universe and a 1377 01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,260 part of the cosmos and they're our 1378 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:15,480 ancestors and our keepers and they watch 1379 01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:23,690 over us and while I was there there 1380 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:28,820 their daughters stopped by to visit and 1381 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:32,730 they we walked down to the lake where 1382 01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:36,210 they said that the UFOs would come and 1383 01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:45,300 and get water and the dollar said you 1384 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:46,980 know they landed near the lake sometimes 1385 01:13:53,420 --> 01:13:50,489 back in the trees and she said this one 1386 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:53,430 time mom and dad were gone and she said 1387 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:55,170 I don't remember where they'd gone or 1388 01:13:59,360 --> 01:13:56,610 maybe they were out working in the 1389 01:14:01,670 --> 01:13:59,370 fields she said because dad raised hay 1390 01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:01,680 and alfalfa for the horses and cattle 1391 01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,560 and she said on this particular day the 1392 01:14:08,780 --> 01:14:06,960 star people came and she said it was 1393 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:08,790 late in the evening but it was still 1394 01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:11,730 daylight and she said Harold and I 1395 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:13,380 watched some land that Harold was her 1396 01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:13,770 brother 1397 01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:16,020 and she said we decided to go down to 1398 01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:17,880 the lake and see if we could talk with 1399 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:20,580 him even though we knew that we were not 1400 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:22,410 supposed to do that and she said when we 1401 01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,690 got there we stood outside the 1402 01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:26,400 spacecraft him when he waited patiently 1403 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,280 until a door slid open and two star 1404 01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:35,040 beings came out she said I remembered a 1405 01:14:42,380 --> 01:14:39,120 wave just a little way she says and one 1406 01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:42,390 actually wave back to me and held went 1407 01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:46,320 to him and handed him a marble and she 1408 01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:48,540 said then the star people they they 1409 01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:50,520 turned and disappeared inside the 1410 01:14:57,589 --> 01:14:53,940 spacecraft but the sir man she said kept 1411 01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:57,599 Harold's marble and we were so excited 1412 01:15:03,260 --> 01:15:00,060 she said we ran I was really upset 1413 01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:03,270 though with my brother because I didn't 1414 01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:05,550 know that he was going to take something 1415 01:15:10,459 --> 01:15:07,320 to give to them I would have taken 1416 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:10,469 something too and she said that after 1417 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:13,170 they left she says many nights we would 1418 01:15:18,979 --> 01:15:16,050 live outside on a blanket and stare at 1419 01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:18,989 the stars and pretend that we knew where 1420 01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:23,030 that tore that Marvel Marvel might be 1421 01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:28,710 and make-believe and when I asked her to 1422 01:15:35,180 --> 01:15:32,310 describe this space traveler she said 1423 01:15:37,550 --> 01:15:35,190 well they were smaller than most Indian 1424 01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:37,560 men well and her tribe that Indian men 1425 01:15:44,660 --> 01:15:41,670 you know are tall probably 510 - six - 1426 01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:44,670 and she said maybe they were about five 1427 01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:47,400 feet tall and they had light skin and 1428 01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:49,980 they were dark brown one-piece suit she 1429 01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:53,369 said she said their bodies were very 1430 01:15:58,760 --> 01:15:56,400 thin and she assumed they were men 1431 01:16:03,379 --> 01:15:58,770 because they didn't have breasts like 1432 01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:03,389 human females and they never spoke and 1433 01:16:07,939 --> 01:16:06,300 they didn't make any sound and I said 1434 01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:07,949 well what about their eyes and she said 1435 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:10,230 I really don't know she said they had 1436 01:16:16,879 --> 01:16:13,650 these very strange-looking big glasses 1437 01:16:19,129 --> 01:16:16,889 on and I remember thinking I wish I had 1438 01:16:20,689 --> 01:16:19,139 a pair of those glasses that everybody 1439 01:16:25,129 --> 01:16:20,699 would be jealous if I had a pair of 1440 01:16:28,069 --> 01:16:25,139 those glasses and she said we got a good 1441 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:28,079 look at the craft we walked around it 1442 01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:30,090 and we counted off the steps and it took 1443 01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,510 us 44 steps to get around it and she 1444 01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:35,520 said but now remember we were nine or 1445 01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:37,710 ten so our steps were smaller than a 1446 01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:40,440 foot but it was still a pretty big class 1447 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:44,130 she said she said there was no opening 1448 01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:46,530 for a door but when the class open we 1449 01:16:52,189 --> 01:16:48,260 were that's why they were so surprised 1450 01:16:54,020 --> 01:16:52,199 and the opening was like of these it was 1451 01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:54,030 like the sides just opened up and then 1452 01:16:58,370 --> 01:16:56,340 when they went back in it closed she 1453 01:17:01,089 --> 01:16:58,380 said it was like one piece we could we 1454 01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,099 couldn't see inside 1455 01:17:05,709 --> 01:17:03,199 so later that evening when I was going 1456 01:17:08,589 --> 01:17:05,719 back to town she followed me in and she 1457 01:17:10,299 --> 01:17:08,599 called her brother and she invited her 1458 01:17:13,959 --> 01:17:10,309 brother to join us at the Dairy Queen 1459 01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,969 and her brother came down and basically 1460 01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:16,400 he told the same story and she did not 1461 01:17:23,859 --> 01:17:18,289 alert him at all that she had told me 1462 01:17:26,290 --> 01:17:23,869 the story he told me how he had told I 1463 01:17:28,779 --> 01:17:26,300 told her a Lydia that he was going down 1464 01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:28,789 there and then he was just gonna check 1465 01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:32,030 out things and he said that when that 1466 01:17:36,939 --> 01:17:34,940 panel opens in the two beans climbed out 1467 01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:36,949 he said I don't remember what what I 1468 01:17:42,339 --> 01:17:39,110 didn't know what to do and he said 1469 01:17:44,799 --> 01:17:42,349 that's when I was so nervous and he said 1470 01:17:46,779 --> 01:17:44,809 when I handed him this marble and he 1471 01:17:49,779 --> 01:17:46,789 took it and looked at it and closed his 1472 01:17:51,850 --> 01:17:49,789 fingers around it and climb back into 1473 01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:51,860 the craft a little laughs I was gonna 1474 01:17:57,100 --> 01:17:55,280 faint he said and he talked about how 1475 01:18:00,580 --> 01:17:57,110 they made up stories about the marble 1476 01:18:04,330 --> 01:18:00,590 and and tried to figure out which planet 1477 01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:04,340 or star it might be visiting and he said 1478 01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:06,110 but Lydia never forgave me for giving 1479 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:08,360 him a marble because she wanted to give 1480 01:18:14,919 --> 01:18:12,050 him something to take to the stars - and 1481 01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:14,929 and talked about the repeated at times 1482 01:18:27,819 --> 01:18:24,530 they had seen the UFOs and how it was a 1483 01:18:29,950 --> 01:18:27,829 commonplace event that was probably the 1484 01:18:31,899 --> 01:18:29,960 one of the first stories I collected as 1485 01:18:49,149 --> 01:18:31,909 I recall well I'll tell you that is 1486 01:18:51,729 --> 01:18:49,159 quite a story - in you know just reached 1487 01:18:55,450 --> 01:18:51,739 in his pocket and gave him a marble you 1488 01:18:58,060 --> 01:18:55,460 know you know I have heard that story 1489 01:19:06,540 --> 01:18:58,070 and I'm just trying to remember was that 1490 01:19:11,299 --> 01:19:09,160 telling my story because this is an 1491 01:19:13,819 --> 01:19:11,309 original story yeah 1492 01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:13,829 you know it may not have been a marble 1493 01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:15,510 but it was something it was a story very 1494 01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:19,169 very similar and and I definitely have 1495 01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:22,169 heard that in the past and I just I just 1496 01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:24,449 can't remember exactly where unless I 1497 01:19:28,279 --> 01:19:26,129 listen to your show you were being 1498 01:19:32,179 --> 01:19:28,289 interviewed huh at some point that could 1499 01:19:42,909 --> 01:19:32,189 very well be the same thing no so where 1500 01:19:54,729 --> 01:19:52,399 in the 80s or early 90s I see and where 1501 01:19:57,919 --> 01:19:54,739 and what part of the country was that in 1502 01:20:00,169 --> 01:19:57,929 well it was in the Northern Plains you 1503 01:20:02,959 --> 01:20:00,179 know one of the things that in order to 1504 01:20:07,099 --> 01:20:02,969 get people to talk to me I agreed that I 1505 01:20:08,839 --> 01:20:07,109 would not divulge the location I see one 1506 01:20:13,579 --> 01:20:08,849 of the biggest fears that native people 1507 01:20:15,559 --> 01:20:13,589 have is if they tell their stories that 1508 01:20:21,290 --> 01:20:15,569 all of these researchers will come 1509 01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:21,300 around and not only will they anger the 1510 01:20:28,969 --> 01:20:25,289 tribal council and and the people in 1511 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:28,979 power but that they will also just make 1512 01:20:34,429 --> 01:20:32,489 a nuisance of themselves demanding to 1513 01:20:37,849 --> 01:20:34,439 see the site where it occurred bring 1514 01:20:39,739 --> 01:20:37,859 their cameras and and they just don't 1515 01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:39,749 want to deal with it and I don't blame 1516 01:20:45,349 --> 01:20:42,780 them right yeah I don't either 1517 01:20:47,809 --> 01:20:45,359 now I'm going back to let's just stay 1518 01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:47,819 around the same story for a minute first 1519 01:20:53,329 --> 01:20:51,089 of all you you hear of other stories 1520 01:20:55,729 --> 01:20:53,339 where water is drawn up from a lake 1521 01:20:58,699 --> 01:20:55,739 which only makes sense if you know water 1522 01:21:02,959 --> 01:20:58,709 is you know the common thing that life 1523 01:21:05,569 --> 01:21:02,969 needs and up on the message boards 1524 01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:05,579 someone ones know what type of craft did 1525 01:21:12,460 --> 01:21:09,689 they say that it appeared to be and did 1526 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:12,470 they say why they were visiting 1527 01:21:21,570 --> 01:21:17,530 in telepathic they have as far as I know 1528 01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:21,580 they did not tell me of any 1529 01:21:29,290 --> 01:21:24,800 communication they had mother than the 1530 01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:29,300 wave the shy like wave that she talks 1531 01:21:35,710 --> 01:21:33,920 about waving to them and then he gives 1532 01:21:39,670 --> 01:21:35,720 them the marble and then they go away 1533 01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:39,680 there's not know you know how you some 1534 01:21:45,660 --> 01:21:41,390 of the people talk about communicating 1535 01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:45,670 with him mentally there was none of that 1536 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:48,980 it was just that the Marvel was given 1537 01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,290 and they left and the craft was circular 1538 01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:53,600 as I said you know they walked around 1539 01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:55,780 and they said they counted their steps 1540 01:22:01,870 --> 01:21:59,360 144 uh-huh and you know another thing 1541 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:01,880 you mentioned in this or they mentioned 1542 01:22:11,620 --> 01:22:03,530 in this story the way the door closed 1543 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:11,630 and then saw like one piece yes and 1544 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:13,970 that's something I've heard numerous 1545 01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:17,330 amounts of times and that could just be 1546 01:22:22,780 --> 01:22:20,450 another part of a physical physical 1547 01:22:29,650 --> 01:22:22,790 technology that we haven't figured out 1548 01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:29,660 yet to make some in Mesoamerica I had 1549 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:33,650 elders tell me that that the means of 1550 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:39,010 travel of these sky gods or star people 1551 01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:50,570 is so far beyond our knowledge one of 1552 01:22:58,690 --> 01:22:54,350 them told me that they had people have 1553 01:23:01,470 --> 01:22:58,700 the ability to literally be in one place 1554 01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:01,480 and think of another place and be there 1555 01:23:09,970 --> 01:23:07,040 that's how their travel is operates that 1556 01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:09,980 it's not with propulsion and it's not 1557 01:23:18,610 --> 01:23:14,600 with gallons of fuel they simply think 1558 01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:18,620 of a place and go there well you know 1559 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:20,990 that makes this much sense of as them 1560 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:23,690 getting here you know people always say 1561 01:23:27,940 --> 01:23:25,610 it's impossible for them to get here and 1562 01:23:29,980 --> 01:23:27,950 so right I guess you could look at it 1563 01:23:33,370 --> 01:23:29,990 that way a question up on the mat you 1564 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:33,380 know and I also you know there this 1565 01:23:37,330 --> 01:23:35,210 story will be in my next book but I 1566 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:37,340 interviewed a man who told me about the 1567 01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:40,610 universal highway and he said the 1568 01:23:44,860 --> 01:23:42,800 universal highway there's different 1569 01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:44,870 ports of entry of the universal holidays 1570 01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:47,840 and they're all over the world and he 1571 01:23:57,420 --> 01:23:51,650 had entered one when he was in the 1572 01:24:01,960 --> 01:23:57,430 military in Iraq and had been offered 1573 01:24:03,940 --> 01:24:01,970 what lot of those start people to take 1574 01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:03,950 him to safety because he was in battle 1575 01:24:10,150 --> 01:24:07,310 and he was trying to he was in it it was 1576 01:24:11,740 --> 01:24:10,160 in a city because he had been his unit 1577 01:24:15,070 --> 01:24:11,750 had been said there because they had 1578 01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:15,080 been told that Saddam Hussein was 1579 01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:18,170 perhaps hiding out in this city and so 1580 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:19,940 they had sends a man and of course they 1581 01:24:24,460 --> 01:24:22,370 were immediately it was an ambush and 1582 01:24:26,740 --> 01:24:24,470 they were they were trapped and he was 1583 01:24:28,930 --> 01:24:26,750 looking for some means or cover from the 1584 01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:28,940 snipers in the building across the 1585 01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,730 across the street from him and he 1586 01:24:36,970 --> 01:24:33,440 stumbled into this abandoned building 1587 01:24:39,130 --> 01:24:36,980 and was suddenly on what was in this 1588 01:24:47,070 --> 01:24:39,140 tunnel which was the universal highway 1589 01:24:50,710 --> 01:24:47,080 and he talked about being taken by this 1590 01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:50,720 star man down this long tunnel and 1591 01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:55,250 coming into an area that was would have 1592 01:25:11,220 --> 01:25:06,090 aircraft that the military owned and the 1593 01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,230 craft was a circular craft was there and 1594 01:25:16,050 --> 01:25:13,600 they offered to take him to safety to 1595 01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:16,060 take him home and he told them that he 1596 01:25:21,630 --> 01:25:19,090 could not do that because he couldn't 1597 01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:21,640 disappear would become identified as a 1598 01:25:30,060 --> 01:25:25,630 deserter at that at least and but more 1599 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:30,070 importantly he couldn't desert his his 1600 01:25:36,270 --> 01:25:32,730 unit he couldn't betray his fellow 1601 01:25:38,130 --> 01:25:36,280 soldiers and they were fascinated with 1602 01:25:41,729 --> 01:25:38,140 that idea because they couldn't 1603 01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:41,739 understand the concept of betrayal and 1604 01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:44,290 and why he would want to put himself in 1605 01:25:51,900 --> 01:25:49,150 harm's way and they when he when he 1606 01:25:55,709 --> 01:25:51,910 refused to go with them they told him 1607 01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:55,719 they would be back the next day and that 1608 01:26:02,430 --> 01:25:59,440 if he wanted to go with him for for him 1609 01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:02,440 to come but he he said he didn't and 1610 01:26:09,180 --> 01:26:05,080 then he peaced he told me he said now 1611 01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:09,190 there's a place in near Chile in Arizona 1612 01:26:15,390 --> 01:26:11,580 there is a place in West Virginia 1613 01:26:21,170 --> 01:26:15,400 there's a place in Montana and and you 1614 01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:25,170 you know the the Blackfeet Indians you 1615 01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:27,340 know have had a number of stories about 1616 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:31,449 this special place and in up on the 1617 01:26:37,340 --> 01:26:33,489 Canadian border where you could you 1618 01:26:40,020 --> 01:26:37,350 could step into another dimension and 1619 01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:40,030 and in fact this is where I met this man 1620 01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:43,000 who told me it was telling me this about 1621 01:26:48,630 --> 01:26:44,800 being in the military and what happened 1622 01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:48,640 to him and he said that but this white 1623 01:26:55,220 --> 01:26:52,719 guy had written about it back years ago 1624 01:26:59,100 --> 01:26:55,230 when he said that he went there and he 1625 01:27:02,189 --> 01:26:59,110 stepped into another dimension and saw a 1626 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:02,199 completely different world well 1627 01:27:08,850 --> 01:27:05,530 according to the the man I interviewed 1628 01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:08,860 this is actually the entry port into the 1629 01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:10,590 universal hallway and 1630 01:27:15,879 --> 01:27:13,500 said that the universal highway is 1631 01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:15,889 connected to all of these different 1632 01:27:20,810 --> 01:27:17,489 planets 1633 01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:20,820 it has ports entry ports all over the 1634 01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:27,540 world and that that's how many of the 1635 01:27:33,070 --> 01:27:30,030 spacecraft travel is on this Universal 1636 01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:33,080 highway and they talked about an 1637 01:27:38,959 --> 01:27:36,960 invisible tunnel that exists and they 1638 01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:38,969 said there's one in West Virginia 1639 01:27:44,810 --> 01:27:42,449 there's one and Chinle and I told him 1640 01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:44,820 that I met a man in Hawaii who told me 1641 01:27:50,899 --> 01:27:46,800 about this same thing about this 1642 01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:50,909 Universal hallway and he said and this 1643 01:27:59,780 --> 01:27:56,400 was on Maui out in the section of on the 1644 01:28:07,669 --> 01:27:59,790 road to Hana which is you know a remote 1645 01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:07,679 part of Maui and he there's one in Peru 1646 01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:12,239 he said I believe he said there was one 1647 01:28:18,169 --> 01:28:16,080 in Puerto Rico but that there are places 1648 01:28:20,810 --> 01:28:18,179 all over the world for you could walk 1649 01:28:23,660 --> 01:28:20,820 into these the entryway city if you know 1650 01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:23,670 what you're looking for so then it goes 1651 01:28:37,609 --> 01:28:25,710 back to you know people talking about 1652 01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:37,619 you know portholes and you know that 1653 01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:41,250 that when the Spaniards were destroying 1654 01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,860 the Inca Empire you know that that's a 1655 01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:46,080 great leader of the Inca nation just 1656 01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:49,260 walked into to a portal and just 1657 01:28:56,750 --> 01:28:52,860 disappeared you know it's still 1658 01:28:59,600 --> 01:28:56,760 considered a sacred place and bruised up 1659 01:29:02,629 --> 01:28:59,610 on there's a pretty interesting question 1660 01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:02,639 hang on just a second it a lot of people 1661 01:29:08,060 --> 01:29:04,650 here it is right here 1662 01:29:13,119 --> 01:29:08,070 what is the natives definition of the 1663 01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:13,129 terms star seed or star child 1664 01:29:21,819 --> 01:29:17,320 I've never heard the music warmest 1665 01:29:24,819 --> 01:29:21,829 Starchild's at all that is something 1666 01:29:28,509 --> 01:29:24,829 that has in the hundreds and hundreds of 1667 01:29:31,839 --> 01:29:28,519 interviews now in their stories in their 1668 01:29:34,509 --> 01:29:31,849 ancient stories they tell of women who 1669 01:29:41,739 --> 01:29:34,519 went to the stars and more children and 1670 01:29:46,959 --> 01:29:41,749 who came back and with a child and that 1671 01:29:50,139 --> 01:29:46,969 child had the capabilities of the earth 1672 01:29:53,619 --> 01:29:50,149 person I mean could look like an earth 1673 01:29:56,290 --> 01:29:53,629 person but had tremendous powers could 1674 01:29:59,619 --> 01:29:56,300 move mountains could create rivers could 1675 01:30:04,149 --> 01:29:59,629 change the whole terrain and they were 1676 01:30:07,810 --> 01:30:04,159 often called the Chablis or the Thunder 1677 01:30:11,020 --> 01:30:07,820 or something of that nature but as far 1678 01:30:15,250 --> 01:30:11,030 as any contemporary belief in star 1679 01:30:19,599 --> 01:30:15,260 children as you know as I understand now 1680 01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:19,609 stars feed the seeding I've heard about 1681 01:30:28,330 --> 01:30:24,369 is the seeding that is done on planets 1682 01:30:31,449 --> 01:30:28,340 I've had particularly down in Mexico I 1683 01:30:35,349 --> 01:30:31,459 had stories of my elders who told me 1684 01:30:38,589 --> 01:30:35,359 that that the that the star people 1685 01:30:45,489 --> 01:30:38,599 travel the universe and if they find a 1686 01:30:49,209 --> 01:30:45,499 planet that is compatible to to life or 1687 01:30:51,549 --> 01:30:49,219 if they can do some kind of variations 1688 01:30:54,129 --> 01:30:51,559 that they could create atmospheres they 1689 01:30:56,469 --> 01:30:54,139 can see the planet and that's the 1690 01:30:59,169 --> 01:30:56,479 seeding I've heard where they they seed 1691 01:31:02,760 --> 01:30:59,179 the planet and they make it livable and 1692 01:31:06,990 --> 01:31:02,770 then they populate the planet 1693 01:31:10,990 --> 01:31:07,000 mm-hmm you know with clones yeah you 1694 01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:11,000 hear all kinds of these things let's 1695 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:13,730 let's talk I want to hear some more 1696 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:15,770 stories because that Marvel story was 1697 01:31:20,770 --> 01:31:18,650 great and were there any stories that 1698 01:31:28,930 --> 01:31:20,780 even came close to that I mean what one 1699 01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:28,940 that's a great one to start out with I 1700 01:31:35,860 --> 01:31:33,250 had known as Selzer for about 30 years 1701 01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:35,870 when I first went to Montana State 1702 01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:40,430 University one of the things I had a I 1703 01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:45,470 had a reputation of as a grants writer 1704 01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:50,330 and I could I could write grants when I 1705 01:31:56,850 --> 01:31:54,050 I had been in the Rapid City Schools I 1706 01:32:03,400 --> 01:31:56,860 was working in a Rapid City Schools and 1707 01:32:05,170 --> 01:32:03,410 my first day on the job the district had 1708 01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:05,180 been cited as being out of compliance 1709 01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:09,110 with the federal law and because of my 1710 01:32:19,450 --> 01:32:16,250 background in English the district had 1711 01:32:22,750 --> 01:32:19,460 me trained in this compliance law down 1712 01:32:25,090 --> 01:32:22,760 in Denver and then requested that I 1713 01:32:26,890 --> 01:32:25,100 write their compliance agreement with 1714 01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:26,900 federal government but what the federal 1715 01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:28,400 government's doing was holding all their 1716 01:32:34,510 --> 01:32:32,510 federal dollars and and this is 1717 01:32:37,390 --> 01:32:34,520 something that I started doing for other 1718 01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:37,400 school districts that were in trouble 1719 01:32:47,170 --> 01:32:44,960 and and so my reputation had preceded me 1720 01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:47,180 when I came to MSU that I could write 1721 01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:49,040 grants and I could do different kinds of 1722 01:32:54,430 --> 01:32:51,500 things and so the school district 1723 01:32:56,710 --> 01:32:54,440 contacted me and asked me if I would 1724 01:32:59,260 --> 01:32:56,720 come and help them write a grant because 1725 01:33:00,940 --> 01:32:59,270 they needed funding for something and so 1726 01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:00,950 I went to the reservation and the 1727 01:33:05,860 --> 01:33:03,260 intercultural at my contact there was 1728 01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:05,870 cultural specialist and he didn't like 1729 01:33:09,460 --> 01:33:08,000 it that they had invited me to come 1730 01:33:11,170 --> 01:33:09,470 there because he didn't think they 1731 01:33:13,630 --> 01:33:11,180 needed any outside help 1732 01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:13,640 and besides who is I coming there I 1733 01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:15,600 wasn't even from their tribe 1734 01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:19,610 and so he was very suspicious of me and 1735 01:33:28,970 --> 01:33:22,110 but over the years we became great 1736 01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:28,980 friends and I had known him 1737 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:34,320 oh maybe 2025 years before he he he said 1738 01:33:38,660 --> 01:33:36,810 to me said one day they did you collect 1739 01:33:41,060 --> 01:33:38,670 stories about star people don't shave I 1740 01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:41,070 said yes and he said I've heard people 1741 01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:44,250 call you the UFO lady and I laughed you 1742 01:33:48,140 --> 01:33:46,050 know and he said well I have a story to 1743 01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:48,150 tell you but he says you're gonna have 1744 01:33:52,460 --> 01:33:49,860 to take a trip with me tomorrow morning 1745 01:33:56,210 --> 01:33:52,470 because I'm gonna have to show you where 1746 01:33:59,000 --> 01:33:56,220 it occurred because I can't describe it 1747 01:34:01,130 --> 01:33:59,010 accurately without you seeing it so the 1748 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:01,140 next morning he picked me up at my motel 1749 01:34:08,380 --> 01:34:05,130 room and we went out probably 60 miles 1750 01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:08,390 from this town where I was staying and 1751 01:34:14,990 --> 01:34:12,690 on gravel roads and we got to the 1752 01:34:16,670 --> 01:34:15,000 turnoff to his place and there wasn't 1753 01:34:18,740 --> 01:34:16,680 even a road there you just had to go out 1754 01:34:21,290 --> 01:34:18,750 through fields and down over hills and 1755 01:34:24,380 --> 01:34:21,300 chip dirt and whatever it rained you 1756 01:34:27,020 --> 01:34:24,390 couldn't get out of there because gypsum 1757 01:34:29,150 --> 01:34:27,030 is so is that's what they make soap suds 1758 01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:29,160 out and so you could imagine trying to 1759 01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:33,930 drive through muddy gypsum and his place 1760 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:40,050 was on a huge river and he began telling 1761 01:34:44,510 --> 01:34:42,930 me the story that his this was a place 1762 01:34:48,140 --> 01:34:44,520 he if he had inherited from his 1763 01:34:51,890 --> 01:34:48,150 grandfather and that at one time his 1764 01:34:56,690 --> 01:34:51,900 grandfather had a spacecraft now this 1765 01:34:59,120 --> 01:34:56,700 was before Roswell spacecraft crashed on 1766 01:35:02,390 --> 01:34:59,130 his grandfather's property 1767 01:35:03,710 --> 01:35:02,400 and that when it came to these 1768 01:35:05,480 --> 01:35:03,720 grandfather's thought it was an 1769 01:35:07,820 --> 01:35:05,490 earthquake because he was inside the 1770 01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:07,830 house when it occurred because said the 1771 01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:11,010 ground shook his whole house shook but 1772 01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:14,400 it lodged inside a Butte across the 1773 01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:17,910 river from from where his grandfather's 1774 01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:20,340 house set his grandfather's house set up 1775 01:35:27,050 --> 01:35:22,290 on a butte overlooking the river and 1776 01:35:29,660 --> 01:35:27,060 this spacecraft had gone into and only 1777 01:35:36,230 --> 01:35:29,670 the back part of the spacecraft was 1778 01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:36,240 showing but there were 17 beans inside 1779 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:42,480 that craft and they were stranded there 1780 01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:45,450 was no way to repair their craft but 1781 01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:47,310 they weren't able to camouflage the 1782 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:49,710 glass in such a way that people could 1783 01:35:56,300 --> 01:35:53,850 not see it and his grandfather he this 1784 01:35:58,190 --> 01:35:56,310 the man who was having story you would 1785 01:36:00,980 --> 01:35:58,200 say you know that he would go there 1786 01:36:03,740 --> 01:36:00,990 every summer and stay with his 1787 01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:03,750 grandfather both of his parents had jobs 1788 01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,420 with a tribe and so when school was out 1789 01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:08,880 they would take him and deposit him well 1790 01:36:15,950 --> 01:36:11,330 you know with a paper bag filled with 1791 01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:15,960 some paperback books and a change of 1792 01:36:22,190 --> 01:36:19,440 clothes and he went to his grandfather's 1793 01:36:23,870 --> 01:36:22,200 to spend the summer and when a week 1794 01:36:26,690 --> 01:36:23,880 before school started they would come 1795 01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:26,700 back and get him getting new clothes and 1796 01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:29,730 then getting ready for school and he 1797 01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,290 said this is the way it was from the 1798 01:36:37,190 --> 01:36:33,360 time he started school and through high 1799 01:36:38,570 --> 01:36:37,200 school but anyway he said that one 1800 01:36:41,810 --> 01:36:38,580 summer when he arrived there his 1801 01:36:44,180 --> 01:36:41,820 grandfather told him about you know the 1802 01:36:47,090 --> 01:36:44,190 spacecraft that had crashed and said 1803 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:47,100 they took him down and they they went 1804 01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:50,010 across the river and he said he climbed 1805 01:36:56,330 --> 01:36:52,719 into this spacecraft 1806 01:37:00,000 --> 01:36:56,340 and he found a way in and he talks about 1807 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:00,010 he he sat in one of the chairs he said 1808 01:37:04,620 --> 01:37:02,770 there were 19 chairs but he said his 1809 01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:04,630 grandfather said there were only 17 1810 01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:07,540 beans that he counted and his 1811 01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:10,540 grandfather came to understand that they 1812 01:37:15,570 --> 01:37:12,790 wanted to stay there they asked his 1813 01:37:17,970 --> 01:37:15,580 permission to stay there until they were 1814 01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:17,980 rescued and they said it would be like 1815 01:37:23,459 --> 01:37:20,710 three months before some someone could 1816 01:37:25,709 --> 01:37:23,469 get there to come for them and his 1817 01:37:28,260 --> 01:37:25,719 grandfather said that was fine and in 1818 01:37:31,110 --> 01:37:28,270 fact his grandfather took on kind of a 1819 01:37:33,150 --> 01:37:31,120 protective role he he didn't want 1820 01:37:35,209 --> 01:37:33,160 anybody going down to the river he 1821 01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:35,219 didn't want anybody around and 1822 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:37,449 fortunately his closest neighbor was 1823 01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:41,370 four miles away and they had gone to 1824 01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:47,140 Mississippi for for the winter and was 1825 01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:50,730 not even around because there they had a 1826 01:37:57,450 --> 01:37:54,480 son of them all from Mississippi er 1827 01:38:00,630 --> 01:37:57,460 but anyway he said that you know he was 1828 01:38:03,420 --> 01:38:00,640 the only one there it was at miles but 1829 01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:03,430 if anyone came to visit him he'd kept 1830 01:38:10,890 --> 01:38:05,110 them away from the river because he 1831 01:38:13,709 --> 01:38:10,900 wanted to protect these four men and so 1832 01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:13,719 this little boy tells about by the time 1833 01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:16,960 he got there the start men were God but 1834 01:38:21,870 --> 01:38:19,600 he talked about going into the craft 1835 01:38:26,729 --> 01:38:21,880 there were 19 chairs there but there 1836 01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:26,739 were only 17 living beings so he didn't 1837 01:38:31,890 --> 01:38:28,750 know if two had died or there was simply 1838 01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:31,900 only 17 on the craft he said when he sat 1839 01:38:36,180 --> 01:38:34,719 down in the chair it closed around him 1840 01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,190 and it made him very frightened because 1841 01:38:40,350 --> 01:38:38,560 he wasn't thinking that he was not going 1842 01:38:43,290 --> 01:38:40,360 to be able to get out of there but he 1843 01:38:46,050 --> 01:38:43,300 said then when he he just thought it 1844 01:38:49,229 --> 01:38:46,060 opened up and when he thought I want to 1845 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:49,239 get up it opened up and so he sat back 1846 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:51,850 down again and it closed around him he 1847 01:38:56,490 --> 01:38:53,650 thought again I want to get up and this 1848 01:38:58,830 --> 01:38:56,500 and the chair opened up so he was really 1849 01:39:00,800 --> 01:38:58,840 fascinated with that he talked about 1850 01:39:04,940 --> 01:39:00,810 finding these up 1851 01:39:09,530 --> 01:39:04,950 these vials of a slimy substance that he 1852 01:39:12,530 --> 01:39:09,540 said that it smelled like a rotted grass 1853 01:39:15,470 --> 01:39:12,540 or something of that nature and and he 1854 01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:15,480 wanted to take a sample and his 1855 01:39:21,020 --> 01:39:18,450 grandfather said no that sacred you must 1856 01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:21,030 leave that there you know we we are not 1857 01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:24,090 allowed we cannot disturb this sacred 1858 01:39:32,930 --> 01:39:28,860 place he told me that his grandfather 1859 01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:32,940 talked about they had the kind of suits 1860 01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:34,650 that when you went in the water they 1861 01:39:41,060 --> 01:39:38,490 never got wet and it is grandfather all 1862 01:39:49,150 --> 01:39:41,070 of his life he wanted one of those suits 1863 01:39:59,420 --> 01:39:52,970 suit that that that they were wearing he 1864 01:40:03,530 --> 01:39:59,430 talked about taking going hunting and 1865 01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:03,540 taking food to them and they told him 1866 01:40:14,060 --> 01:40:07,920 they didn't eat food as earth as Earth 1867 01:40:16,670 --> 01:40:14,070 man ate food that's pretty convenient 1868 01:40:20,540 --> 01:40:16,680 and you know maybe that's why you always 1869 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:20,550 hear them being so thin No well and 1870 01:40:26,180 --> 01:40:22,890 maybe you know they have perfected a way 1871 01:40:27,740 --> 01:40:26,190 of just using some kind of vitamins or 1872 01:40:30,020 --> 01:40:27,750 something you know maybe that's what he 1873 01:40:33,260 --> 01:40:30,030 found was their food those vials he was 1874 01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:33,270 talking about you know and there's 1875 01:40:38,180 --> 01:40:36,030 always been said that his grandfather 1876 01:40:40,490 --> 01:40:38,190 said they had the ability to vanish in 1877 01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:40,500 thin air when you know when he said when 1878 01:40:44,030 --> 01:40:42,000 he first encountered them they would 1879 01:40:46,820 --> 01:40:44,040 just disappear right in front of him but 1880 01:40:48,980 --> 01:40:46,830 then after they became more comfortable 1881 01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:48,990 around him and saw that he wasn't going 1882 01:41:00,110 --> 01:40:56,090 he he said they told him that there was 1883 01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:00,120 a spaceship a huge spaceship that had 1884 01:41:06,230 --> 01:41:03,840 been that that was up in the sky and 1885 01:41:08,030 --> 01:41:06,240 that there were four small spacecraft 1886 01:41:10,910 --> 01:41:08,040 that had come out of it that were 1887 01:41:13,250 --> 01:41:10,920 exploring the earth they came out of the 1888 01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:13,260 bigger ship and he said that they said 1889 01:41:19,190 --> 01:41:15,090 that they had to wade into one of those 1890 01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:19,200 ships came back they were on they were 1891 01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,870 three months they would be exploring and 1892 01:41:24,590 --> 01:41:23,040 then they would go back through the ship 1893 01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:24,600 and he said that's when they will 1894 01:41:33,740 --> 01:41:30,210 discover that we that we have crashed 1895 01:41:34,540 --> 01:41:33,750 and they will come for us you would 1896 01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:34,550 think that they would have a 1897 01:41:41,690 --> 01:41:38,130 communication you know very well perhaps 1898 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:41,700 they did but you know he didn't I don't 1899 01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:43,530 know that's what the grandfather told 1900 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:46,260 the grandson but they had to wait 1901 01:41:50,450 --> 01:41:48,570 he said that they took him on board 1902 01:41:56,020 --> 01:41:50,460 their craft they they showed him 1903 01:41:59,180 --> 01:41:56,030 pictures from her from their home in 1904 01:42:01,160 --> 01:41:59,190 something like what I would describe as 1905 01:42:02,780 --> 01:42:01,170 a TV or a computer but in his 1906 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:02,790 grandfather's day there was no such 1907 01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:06,330 thing because keep in mind this was 1945 1908 01:42:13,700 --> 01:42:10,290 and they had he hasn't seen any computer 1909 01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:13,710 so he he told her picture machines he 1910 01:42:17,390 --> 01:42:15,690 talked about flashing pictures that 1911 01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:17,400 showed a place that was very different 1912 01:42:22,610 --> 01:42:20,250 from Earth and he said that if he had to 1913 01:42:24,740 --> 01:42:22,620 pick a place on earth and it reminded 1914 01:42:27,260 --> 01:42:24,750 him of it would be the Badlands because 1915 01:42:30,490 --> 01:42:27,270 there was no vegetation and he said they 1916 01:42:33,260 --> 01:42:30,500 told him their houses were underground 1917 01:42:34,970 --> 01:42:33,270 and he said he has some about heaven and 1918 01:42:38,690 --> 01:42:34,980 they told him they did not have a place 1919 01:42:40,940 --> 01:42:38,700 such as heaven he said he went back 1920 01:42:44,030 --> 01:42:40,950 several times to ask if he could see the 1921 01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:44,040 picture machine and they they agreed to 1922 01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:45,990 let him look at it every time they went 1923 01:42:50,379 --> 01:42:48,090 the visitors told him that they really 1924 01:42:53,770 --> 01:42:50,389 liked the green of Earth 1925 01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:53,780 and they thought the Red Willow they 1926 01:42:58,030 --> 01:42:55,489 grew along the banks of the river was 1927 01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:58,040 quite beautiful and that they loved 1928 01:43:03,939 --> 01:43:01,760 water they said on their planet water 1929 01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:03,949 was underground nothing was on the 1930 01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:06,650 surface and he said his grandfather 1931 01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:09,710 would take them Geo's do you know what a 1932 01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:13,010 geode is and they were taking he would 1933 01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:15,050 he would go out into his fields and he 1934 01:43:19,660 --> 01:43:16,850 would gather these geodes on his ranch 1935 01:43:22,330 --> 01:43:19,670 and he said they were just so many broke 1936 01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:22,340 them open to to reveal the crystallized 1937 01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:25,750 cities inside you know the geode and and 1938 01:43:33,359 --> 01:43:29,210 they they wanted them they wanted to add 1939 01:43:38,410 --> 01:43:33,369 them to their collection but then 1940 01:43:44,580 --> 01:43:38,420 there's more to this story because what 1941 01:43:51,850 --> 01:43:47,700 the Corps of Engineers came in and 1942 01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:51,860 decided to build a dam and when they 1943 01:43:58,030 --> 01:43:55,730 decided to build the dam they asked his 1944 01:44:00,459 --> 01:43:58,040 grandfather to leave his ranch because 1945 01:44:02,820 --> 01:44:00,469 they were going to be boasting and they 1946 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:02,830 were they were building that dam 1947 01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:05,570 basically for recreational purposes so 1948 01:44:14,370 --> 01:44:09,199 that upset him but they they paid for 1949 01:44:19,390 --> 01:44:14,380 them to stay in a motel in a neighboring 1950 01:44:21,370 --> 01:44:19,400 town and he and he was tell me he said 1951 01:44:23,979 --> 01:44:21,380 we had two double beds and three mill 1952 01:44:26,350 --> 01:44:23,989 paths at the local restaurant but he 1953 01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:26,360 says his grandfather was like a caged 1954 01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:29,119 animal I hated the motel and they hated 1955 01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:31,670 the restaurant and he said that they 1956 01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:34,639 spent hours walking dirt roads out of 1957 01:44:40,939 --> 01:44:37,250 town and he worried about his horses and 1958 01:44:47,359 --> 01:44:44,660 he said I read in western paperback 1959 01:44:49,819 --> 01:44:47,369 books and we played checkers a lot and 1960 01:44:52,069 --> 01:44:49,829 he said that then when they let him go 1961 01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:52,079 back to the ranch it was near the end of 1962 01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:56,010 July and he said that he said I remember 1963 01:45:01,370 --> 01:44:57,840 it took most of August to round up the 1964 01:45:02,930 --> 01:45:01,380 horses and cattle for the winter and he 1965 01:45:04,609 --> 01:45:02,940 said I was worried I wasn't gonna be 1966 01:45:06,979 --> 01:45:04,619 able to help him get the job done before 1967 01:45:08,750 --> 01:45:06,989 school started and I said well did the 1968 01:45:10,609 --> 01:45:08,760 place change and he said well when we 1969 01:45:13,390 --> 01:45:10,619 were out the landscape was totally 1970 01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:13,400 changed he said they had literally moved 1971 01:45:18,770 --> 01:45:16,800 mountains of dirt and one of there was 1972 01:45:20,449 --> 01:45:18,780 once a hill they were now where there 1973 01:45:23,299 --> 01:45:20,459 was once a field there were now hills 1974 01:45:25,729 --> 01:45:23,309 and it was impossible to even figure out 1975 01:45:28,910 --> 01:45:25,739 where the Butte had been where the 1976 01:45:32,089 --> 01:45:28,920 spacecraft had landed because now the 1977 01:45:34,549 --> 01:45:32,099 water had flooded that whole region and 1978 01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:34,559 he said if the spacecraft were still 1979 01:45:41,060 --> 01:45:38,610 there it would have been under water but 1980 01:45:45,020 --> 01:45:41,070 his grandfather was convinced that the 1981 01:45:48,140 --> 01:45:45,030 military found the craft and because he 1982 01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:48,150 said that one day the engineers came to 1983 01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:51,209 his house and they talked to him about 1984 01:45:57,589 --> 01:45:54,719 how inaccessible the ranch was that had 1985 01:45:59,509 --> 01:45:57,599 he ever seen anything strange and he 1986 01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,519 said his grandfather was about to tell 1987 01:46:03,799 --> 01:46:01,440 him anything and his grandfather just 1988 01:46:06,319 --> 01:46:03,809 said nothing ever happens out here but 1989 01:46:08,209 --> 01:46:06,329 he felt they were asking him these 1990 01:46:13,939 --> 01:46:08,219 questions because they had found that 1991 01:46:16,009 --> 01:46:13,949 that crashed UFO and he said you know 1992 01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:16,019 regrettably he was very able to return 1993 01:46:21,319 --> 01:46:19,650 because he said it was underwater and he 1994 01:46:22,850 --> 01:46:21,329 said they had changed the Train so much 1995 01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:22,860 he wasn't even sure if he'd ever be able 1996 01:46:29,629 --> 01:46:27,780 to find it and he said that I said well 1997 01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:29,639 how would they get something and he 1998 01:46:32,689 --> 01:46:31,260 thought they had taken it out of there 1999 01:46:34,430 --> 01:46:32,699 his grandfather was sure that they had 2000 01:46:36,379 --> 01:46:34,440 discovered it and had taken it out there 2001 01:46:38,959 --> 01:46:36,389 and he said well you know you gotta keep 2002 01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:38,969 in mind that this was back in the days 2003 01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:40,710 that 2004 01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,250 reservation then he said when all this 2005 01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:52,800 big equipment started coming in people 2006 01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:54,420 would stand along the side of the road 2007 01:46:59,930 --> 01:46:57,090 just to watch it go by he said you could 2008 01:47:01,520 --> 01:46:59,940 have bought anything in and out of the 2009 01:47:04,820 --> 01:47:01,530 reservation and nobody would have known 2010 01:47:09,020 --> 01:47:04,830 what it was and so he thinks at least 2011 01:47:12,140 --> 01:47:09,030 his grandfather's believed that they had 2012 01:47:14,630 --> 01:47:12,150 found the spacecraft the military had 2013 01:47:17,209 --> 01:47:14,640 come in and had taken it out and simply 2014 01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:17,219 drove it off the reservation covered it 2015 01:47:20,110 --> 01:47:19,410 up perhaps and nobody ever knew any 2016 01:47:25,550 --> 01:47:20,120 difference 2017 01:47:27,890 --> 01:47:25,560 mmm-hmm that was an amazing story and 2018 01:47:32,300 --> 01:47:27,900 especially since it happened you know 2019 01:47:33,950 --> 01:47:32,310 before Roswell yeah that that really is 2020 01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:33,960 something that was quite the story now 2021 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:37,170 did they ever talk about you know how 2022 01:47:46,010 --> 01:47:43,770 they communicated his father said that 2023 01:47:49,370 --> 01:47:46,020 he just saw the question and they 2024 01:47:51,650 --> 01:47:49,380 answered it in his head mm-hmm just like 2025 01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:51,660 that that would be colep ëthey yeah 2026 01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:00,890 you know that's a common way I've heard 2027 01:48:15,550 --> 01:48:11,900 how they communicate he says they just 2028 01:48:20,660 --> 01:48:15,560 talk to me the words are in my head or 2029 01:48:22,820 --> 01:48:20,670 they talk to me in my head and I no one 2030 01:48:25,459 --> 01:48:22,830 was telling me how he had to practice 2031 01:48:30,140 --> 01:48:25,469 asking a question because they told him 2032 01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:30,150 they and he didn't in fact one one elder 2033 01:48:34,430 --> 01:48:32,070 was tell me that they find the English 2034 01:48:37,190 --> 01:48:34,440 language the sounds of the English 2035 01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:37,200 language quite offensive and so they 2036 01:48:47,140 --> 01:48:39,650 told him just thanks for questions 2037 01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:51,070 just take the question and he says and 2038 01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:52,410 justice 2039 01:48:59,000 --> 01:48:56,610 the question so this so this you said 2040 01:49:02,180 --> 01:48:59,010 this was about ten years ahead of 2041 01:49:04,010 --> 01:49:02,190 Roswell or or something here two years 2042 01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:04,020 ahead of Roswell yeah 2043 01:49:10,220 --> 01:49:06,210 yeah isn't that amazing well you know 2044 01:49:13,190 --> 01:49:10,230 people don't talk about it much but you 2045 01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:13,200 know if you talk to a skeptic out there 2046 01:49:17,300 --> 01:49:14,880 or a lot of people out there they're 2047 01:49:20,420 --> 01:49:17,310 looking you know seriously at the UFO 2048 01:49:24,140 --> 01:49:20,430 topic most people say that you know 2049 01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:24,150 nothing happened prior to Roswell of any 2050 01:49:27,890 --> 01:49:25,890 consequence but you know if you really 2051 01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:27,900 look into the subject deeply you'll see 2052 01:49:32,330 --> 01:49:31,500 that you know there's been encounters of 2053 01:49:35,210 --> 01:49:32,340 some kind 2054 01:49:39,620 --> 01:49:35,220 going back for centuries that are noted 2055 01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:39,630 I mean you know even here in Montana we 2056 01:49:46,010 --> 01:49:44,760 have those stories young bird you know 2057 01:49:52,610 --> 01:49:46,020 he's written a wonderful book called 2058 01:49:54,770 --> 01:49:52,620 UFOs and mom and you know she chronicles 2059 01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:54,780 the history of UFOs in this state and 2060 01:49:59,690 --> 01:49:57,570 and you know they go back to the days of 2061 01:50:01,490 --> 01:49:59,700 the trappers and you know the first 2062 01:50:05,980 --> 01:50:01,500 white man that came to this region you 2063 01:50:10,430 --> 01:50:08,540 all right well that's well I'm gonna 2064 01:50:12,500 --> 01:50:10,440 this is live on the air but I'm still 2065 01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:12,510 going to say this I had communicated 2066 01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,280 with Joan and she was going to be on the 2067 01:50:18,380 --> 01:50:16,080 show and then all of a sudden her email 2068 01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:18,390 she must have changed email and I've 2069 01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:20,130 never been able to reach her so you and 2070 01:50:26,660 --> 01:50:22,910 I will be talking about that a little 2071 01:50:31,130 --> 01:50:26,670 because yeah she's she frequently stops 2072 01:50:34,700 --> 01:50:31,140 at my house and she's been doing a lot 2073 01:50:36,770 --> 01:50:34,710 of traveling oh I see yep but she was 2074 01:50:38,180 --> 01:50:36,780 going to be on the show or or I can't 2075 01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:38,190 remember how far we got with that but 2076 01:50:43,070 --> 01:50:40,170 I'd love to have her on she's very 2077 01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:43,080 interesting so while we're talking about 2078 01:50:50,340 --> 01:50:46,770 Montana other any stories that you got 2079 01:50:58,150 --> 01:50:56,350 but I'm trying to think of well I told 2080 01:51:00,850 --> 01:50:58,160 you the one about the man I met with the 2081 01:51:03,490 --> 01:51:00,860 universal highway that had happened in 2082 01:51:05,890 --> 01:51:03,500 Montana oh I see there was one that 2083 01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:05,900 happened in Montana that one of my 2084 01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:07,850 favorite characters his name was 2085 01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:11,330 Chauncey and his granddaughter was a 2086 01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:14,210 student of mine and she came into my 2087 01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,580 poster on my wall that said I believe 2088 01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,080 with the UFO on it 2089 01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:29,360 mm-hmm and she said my granddad would 2090 01:51:33,850 --> 01:51:32,210 love that poster and so I just took it 2091 01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:33,860 down off the wall and rolled it up and I 2092 01:51:39,730 --> 01:51:36,260 said take it to him when you see him and 2093 01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:39,740 she said a couple weeks later she came 2094 01:51:43,930 --> 01:51:41,210 back to my office and she said my 2095 01:51:46,210 --> 01:51:43,940 granddad loved that poster and she said 2096 01:51:49,090 --> 01:51:46,220 he said that if you're ever up our way 2097 01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:49,100 to come stop and see us she said you 2098 01:51:56,140 --> 01:51:53,570 know he's he's got a reputation that 2099 01:52:00,250 --> 01:51:56,150 he's the only man that ever shot an 2100 01:52:03,220 --> 01:52:00,260 alien well that was just too much of a 2101 01:52:05,770 --> 01:52:03,230 tidbit of information for me so the next 2102 01:52:08,710 --> 01:52:05,780 time I was on a reservation I went in 2103 01:52:15,730 --> 01:52:08,720 search of him and of course he they have 2104 01:52:18,130 --> 01:52:15,740 been a very isolated area and he was out 2105 01:52:20,350 --> 01:52:18,140 you know shooting what I when I got 2106 01:52:22,630 --> 01:52:20,360 there shooting Gophers and he said that 2107 01:52:25,570 --> 01:52:22,640 you must be that lady from the 2108 01:52:27,670 --> 01:52:25,580 University and I said yes and so I 2109 01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:27,680 shared my lunch with him and I brought 2110 01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:30,770 him some food and and some tobacco and 2111 01:52:36,820 --> 01:52:34,970 and he began to tell me this story he 2112 01:52:38,410 --> 01:52:36,830 said now that you're recording this 2113 01:52:41,620 --> 01:52:38,420 story I better tell you the truth he 2114 01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:41,630 said I really didn't shoot an alien he 2115 01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:44,050 said I shot at once 2116 01:52:50,700 --> 01:52:46,330 and he said I was in a house one night 2117 01:52:54,690 --> 01:52:50,710 and he had a dog that he called his blue 2118 01:52:57,450 --> 01:52:54,700 Sun and he said this is my boy this is 2119 01:53:01,890 --> 01:52:57,460 my son all my other kids left me but not 2120 01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:01,900 this one this is my only boy and and it 2121 01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:04,510 was obvious that he just loved this dog 2122 01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:07,300 and this dog loved him well he was in 2123 01:53:12,900 --> 01:53:09,370 his tavern one night and and the dog 2124 01:53:15,180 --> 01:53:12,910 just started howling and he said he 2125 01:53:17,940 --> 01:53:15,190 opened the door and the dog ran out into 2126 01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:17,950 the night and he said he grabbed his 2127 01:53:23,550 --> 01:53:21,760 shotgun that was propped up by the door 2128 01:53:25,740 --> 01:53:23,560 and went out after him 2129 01:53:31,740 --> 01:53:25,750 and he said he went around the back of 2130 01:53:34,820 --> 01:53:31,750 the house and he saw this this creature 2131 01:53:38,810 --> 01:53:34,830 or this being and he said he was glowing 2132 01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:38,820 he said he was dressed in this he 2133 01:53:54,150 --> 01:53:51,840 pajama set and he said he had my dog 2134 01:53:56,430 --> 01:53:54,160 down on the ground and I thought he was 2135 01:54:02,310 --> 01:53:56,440 hurting my dog and he said that he shot 2136 01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:02,320 at him and he said then the beam stood 2137 01:54:10,350 --> 01:54:08,320 up and came toward him and and and said 2138 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:10,360 that you know he didn't mean any harm 2139 01:54:23,850 --> 01:54:14,890 and and told him that he came from the 2140 01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:23,860 stars and that that he that that he was 2141 01:54:28,590 --> 01:54:26,710 a visitor and so he said that he 2142 01:54:30,990 --> 01:54:28,600 continued talking to him and he said the 2143 01:54:34,590 --> 01:54:31,000 Sun started coming over the mountain or 2144 01:54:36,420 --> 01:54:34,600 over the over the horizon and he said so 2145 01:54:40,230 --> 01:54:36,430 I said well you show me where your craft 2146 01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:40,240 is and he says that they began walking 2147 01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:44,710 toward this this huge boulder on his 2148 01:54:50,420 --> 01:54:47,850 property and he said that 2149 01:54:54,590 --> 01:54:50,430 this is being told him that it was 2150 01:54:56,810 --> 01:54:54,600 behind this Boulder and he said that 2151 01:54:59,900 --> 01:54:56,820 while they're rocking blue Sun is 2152 01:55:04,850 --> 01:54:59,910 walking with him but staying clear of 2153 01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:04,860 him and he said that blue Sun wants to 2154 01:55:08,810 --> 01:55:07,050 play so he would throw a stick and the 2155 01:55:12,380 --> 01:55:08,820 dog would bring a bag and drop it at his 2156 01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:12,390 feet and when he told the dog to heel it 2157 01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:14,880 was he only told the dog to sit it would 2158 01:55:21,890 --> 01:55:17,970 fit and and this being became very 2159 01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:21,900 interested in this dog well when they 2160 01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:24,570 round them the boulder there is this 2161 01:55:30,110 --> 01:55:28,230 small craft and he said it was not it 2162 01:55:32,990 --> 01:55:30,120 would only hold one or two people 2163 01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:33,000 he's a very small craft and he said that 2164 01:55:38,380 --> 01:55:35,730 when they got there that the being 2165 01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:38,390 turned to him and pointed to his dogs 2166 01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:43,190 and he wanted to take the dog with him 2167 01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:45,810 pardon me I hate to interrupt you this 2168 01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:47,520 is such a great story but you know we're 2169 01:55:55,970 --> 01:55:48,420 out of time 2170 01:55:59,110 --> 01:55:55,980 can you believe it that's right so you 2171 01:56:01,520 --> 01:55:59,120 can find your book right on amazon.com 2172 01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:01,530 right and my website is 2173 01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:41,730 www.miamikettlebell.com at a Radio 2174 01:56:47,690 --> 01:56:44,730 Network next week Wednesday Eastern 2175 01:56:49,460 --> 01:56:47,700 Standard Time that is and we'll see you 2176 01:56:52,130 --> 01:56:49,470 next week this is Martin Willis and 2177 01:56:53,810 --> 01:56:52,140 we're signing off keep your eyes to the